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Kenny Paul: Yeah, I'll drop the link to the

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Kenny Paul:  Sandra's unfortunately out due to a family emergency. So

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Kenny Paul: looks like y'all are gonna be stuck with me for a couple of weeks here.

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Andreas Geissler: happy to have you Ken?

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Kenny Paul:  All the standard stuff meetings being recorded. You're muted when come in, keep yourself muted. Unless you're talking Star 6. If you're on a phone.

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Kenny Paul: Don't send private chat messages.

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Kenny Paul: members of the Linux Foundation may also contact Andrew Uptergrove. It's firm Gesmer, upgrove, Llp.

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Kenny Paul: Which provides legal counsel to the Lf. Its policies enforce whether there is a member of staff attending the call or not.

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Kenny Paul: Preamble thusly delivered.

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Kenny Paul: Here we go.

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Kenny Paul:  quite a few things on the agenda today.

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Kenny Paul: update on the AI task force. And what's planned for the dntf

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Kenny Paul:  talk about release status some discussion of infrastructure related to Sig Star.

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Thomas Kulik: Kenny, Kenny, you are sharing outlook.

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Kenny Paul: Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no!

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Andreas Geissler: Oh, my history and my stories.

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Kenny Paul: Oh, yeah, you can all go read that at some point. Oh, my.

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Kenny Paul: thank you.

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Kenny Paul: Where is that?

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Thomas Kulik: Okay, that's not good. Look. no, that's okay.

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Kenny Paul: The X 2.

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Kenny Paul: Well, it's been years since I've done that.

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Kenny Paul: anyways, a large language model. Release status. Talk about 6 store.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Kenny, I'll just give a brief update on the elephant tag.

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Kenny Paul: hooky duck, anyone else.

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Kenny Paul: Okay. Kiwong, I want to talk a little bit about your thoughts for the Dntf and the one summit

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Keguang He: yeah. Hi, can you? Can I show my desktop? Okay.

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Kenny Paul: don't share your email, though.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, okay.

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Keguang He: you can see my slides.

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Kenny Paul: Yes, sir.

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Keguang He: Okay. Yes, we yes. We have.

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Keguang He: some new requirements this year, and the the 2 requirements is related to landing mode a large model and the generative AI. So we

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Keguang He: join the AI task force meeting and to introduce our requirements for.

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Keguang He: And this is a

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Keguang He: this is the first requirements China, mobile and the infrastructure.

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Keguang He: Will do these requirements together? We will try to enhancing autumns, network through generative AI and the Internet driven technology in onap.

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Keguang He: So we we have a a meeting with the infrast. And

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Keguang He: And then maybe we were use nephew as a resource manager for a cloud and age.

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Keguang He: and this is the first requirements, and the second requirements is A is

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Keguang He: I introduced before in on app architect meeting. We, we want to introduce general yeah solution based on large model in, and usually these.

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Keguang He: I have a demo under to show this the demo once when summit or authentic F meeting.

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Keguang He: and And we also hope more people can join this. Requirements. With us together. Okay, that's all about.

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Keguang He: My introduction. Thank you.

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Kenny Paul: Any questions.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Okay. Sorry. I have a question. I was on mute.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So there is one for ran and ran, transport, cloud and core. Okay.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so is there an objective on the right side to to look at what Oran is doing, or or this is more

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Keguang He: do some worker with Ryan to the manager. So as those worker are to be added and maybe in the first release available folks. okay.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Okay, okay, you're right, nephew is more more on the provisioning deployment rather than okay.

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Keguang He: Yeah. Yeah, I have 2 questions. First of all, nephew.

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Byung-Woo Jun: do they use a large language model yet I know they are using intent, but I'm not sure they're using

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Byung-Woo Jun: Llm. Yet. No, zinc is the

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Byung-Woo Jun: having to use. Lm, at present, just just in 10 second question, if you go back to you know the page before 11.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah. Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: so so you daily, I think you are handling ui module right business to your service module. There, you said your focus. Is that right?

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Keguang He: Yes.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay, that's just confirming the new daily you propose to. Enhance your ui for

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Byung-Woo Jun: generative AI. Okay, okay, thank you. I just tried to confirm my understanding.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh, okay, thank you. Thank you.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Actually, I didn't. I don't know if you address my other part of my question, Rick.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: to to develop an Llm.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: You need to have data coming from somewhere, right?

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Is is that the objective to develop telem or assume something, assume there is an LM. And then use it.

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Keguang He: Yeah, maybe may, maybe at present. We will use some am.

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Keguang He: I am from China mobile, because China Mobile has a

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Keguang He: Yes. Large, large model name that you can.

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Keguang He: and we can we can do some fighting based on the zoom zoom model under to become

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Keguang He: opens to to become A network!

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Keguang He: And we will use.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. Great. Thank you. Sha Shanka, to my understanding, to China Mobile have their own module, does keep background. Mention about it, and and the China telecom don't want. They have the model to. And on top of that they are adding additional domain specific module which you know, store in the data services. So I think there are 2 enhancement in New Delhi, in Ui and one from China mobile one from China. Telecom, I think, after new daily, we have

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Byung-Woo Jun: good picture, I think. Yeah, that's my understanding. They are working together. I mean, they're walking the individually. But yeah, same area. Okay.

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Keguang He: yeah, maybe future. We can connect to. Moreover.

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Keguang He: from more companies.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: very good. Thanks. Okay. That's all.

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Keguang He: Will stop shying. Thank you.

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Kenny Paul: Thank you so much. Kikwan.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, let me see if I can share and not do my

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Kenny Paul: email. Email.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, shankar wanted to. You wanted to provide a

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: sure and and it'll be quick. But it it's actually it's a good segue to from from what was talking about.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So the elephant tag of late. There's been a lot of interest or focus on cloud related topics.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: There was a presentation from both Nefield and just because if there's a new project in Lfn. There was a presentation of what Nefield is doing

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: and and in general there have been more collaborative presentations about Nefio and Osc. Or Nsc. And nephew also have

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so seeking synergies. And it it's all making sense is going in the right direction.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: and some of it

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: sort of overlaps into what what it would be sort of on app concepts

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: but it's it is that work is still ongoing. And so, and Sishu goes on. App also is now on the Osc. Side. It's it's also in the middle of it

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so one part was at the elephant tag was like a

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: into a sort of a review, or just of what's happening with nephew.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: The other part, which people should be aware of, and many might already be there. Is this the Cnc F cloud, native computing? Foundation. I forget what that is. But all that. There is a lot of change in the whole organizations. And now there is

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: there is a cloud native telecom initiative, CNTI under Lfn. And so they were presentations from there as to what the intent is and what the structure would be. And so so there is this

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: combination of nephew interest in cloud management, deployment and management, and the new C and DI. Which is how cloud is applied to telecom.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And all of that is is, I mean is directly relevant to own app. And I think people did point that out also, because

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: anything to do, because on up all all the work is cloud based. And so anywhere,  whatever we do, and we use. And and there has been a change here also, right from how Kubernetes is being used.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So just giving an update, just be aware that in the larger elephant, also, there's there's all these new things happening which are cloud related.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, that's that's mainly the updated.

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Kenny Paul: Okay? Any questions?

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Kenny Paul: Okay, thanks. So much. Sankar.

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Kenny Paul: Release status. You, you wanted to click on the link. Yeah. Can you? Can you click the link?

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Byung-Woo Jun: This is continuous update, Andreas and I update his page and also Pto the updating, too.

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Byung-Woo Jun: The I put the latest Pto status. And I'm gonna we're gonna talk about Pto update Piercra just stepped down

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then indicating partially active in Dmap and also scroll down. And then we just adding additional information. Liam also step down and Pt. Election process started.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and we indicating no Pta which project judging a Pta, and what's the state of the project? So if you take a look at that, and you can see what's going on, and also

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Byung-Woo Jun: the any Mt. The priest. Pto, update that. And also one thing, a document, Thomas, I think the Montreal Haram Chat version of Montreal, and I think new daily.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Maybe you can define the which I have chat version for documentation. You can put it here.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Maybe you don't need. Maybe you wanna wait for other other project is doing or something, anyway. So this is so status, currently. And you can anything. Pto, and then anybody there wants to update this status. Please use this pages. Thank you.

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Andreas Geissler: Yeah. Thomas, well has no help charts. So therefore documentation has. No, I know that's why I put the name. But maybe we can put that. Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. Thank you.

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Kenny Paul: Dope hoop

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Kenny Paul: pop up here in front of my face. Close that

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Kenny Paul:  okay, I

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Kenny Paul: discussion around gha and container signing the Sig store looking for an update. And yes, I see that you are

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Kenny Paul: present and accounted for.

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Jessica Wagantall: Hi, thank you, Tony Yup so I wanted to give up a day on this.

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Jessica Wagantall: So the container signing right now all the releases for next street they're already implemented. It was implemented back in December.

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Jessica Wagantall: We are already signing, images that are meant for be releasing they're already been signed using 6 store, and the signature is being pushed to nexus 3. So

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Jessica Wagantall: if you guys are curious about it, go into the next to street releases repo. And you're gonna see there the latest signatures for the newest releases as of December.

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Jessica Wagantall: So that's going on with regards to nexus to which it is. The Java artifacts. Those are still being signed with. With the Siegel.

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Andreas Geissler: So that means we would need to change Sdn, C. As well as as all at the same time. We are analyzing internally in Dt. The issue and the effort to change SO. And whenever and and Dan pre wanted to analyze the changes on the Sdn C side.

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Kenny Paul: Thank you, Andreas.

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Andreas Geissler: So admit we have a couple of components which need to be changed. But it's ongoing, and we try to get this really done in New in New David

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Andreas Geissler: I think that's gonna be too late.

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Kenny Paul: May. Me? Well, no May May is when they would be starting. So the cycle

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Kenny Paul: starts earlier than that. Casey would be running it for Lfm. Casey King.

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Kenny Paul:  so I can reach out. See? How many

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: is it? Roughly, yeah, is it roughly the same budget as last year?

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Kenny Paul:  might be a little less, because not everybody took advantage of it last year, which was very unfortunate. And right, it's like, you know, use it or lose it. So.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And this is an elephant program, right? Or or an Lf program. This is an LF program. But the budget comes from elephant

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Kenny Paul: for any work being done in la.

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Kenny Paul: Okay? So you're gonna reach out to Casey on that.

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Kenny Paul: okay, look.

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Kenny Paul:  I assume it would be going to Sandra at this point, for those of you that joined late

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Kenny Paul:  so let me

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Kenny Paul: I'll tag next week.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just an update that Amy's team is working on on the

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Paweł Pawlak: So please stay tuned. I hope that somewhere next week we should have

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Paweł Pawlak: and this this update. But work in progress

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Paweł Pawlak: back to you, Kenny.

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Kenny Paul: Sorry coughing.

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Kenny Paul: moving on. Then one summit coming up in April.

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Kenny Paul: All the information is there that you could possibly want. But I will drop the link in

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Kenny Paul: if there's any hands that that would like to go up right now. I'll make sure you get at it. If not,

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Kenny Paul: as he is a point of content for that.

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Kenny Paul: I'll drop that link in there.

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Kenny Paul: For your browsing pleasure.

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Kenny Paul: Take a look at that. That's not the own app, that is, for elephant.  So you can read up on

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Kenny Paul: Are there any

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Kenny Paul: other topics? Items? Discussions for today? Okay, can you just a comment there is a section for run up, right and and sections for all the projects.

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Kenny Paul:  yes, it's, it's it's yeah, it's not about own app exclusively, it's about Lfm, but there is an on app section and sections for other projects.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, seeing no other topics, Paul. With your permission, we'll go ahead and close the meeting out.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes, please. One question to you, because on Monday you had the day off in Ireland. so are you. Are you satisfied with the progress on the

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Paweł Pawlak: on your request last week?

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Paweł Pawlak: Remind me of this cause. There's a few things going this was, I think it was actions.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): not totally satisfied. But I think it's yeah. Now we Jessica explained that

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So the get of actions is has caused us a few problems over the last couple of months. I was hoping that we could have a mechanism, that that if the get of action was failing for some reason that that that some people would have the right to kind of ignore that just like we can

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): at the moment. If the normal verify fields, and I know it's just a build issue I can. I can give a plus one myself, and I can still merge to coach when necessary when we're stuck.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): But for the Github actions it doesn't seem to be possible to do something similar. So Jessica has just committed that herself and Matt and Kevin.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): If there's any problems they will do their best to solve them as quick as possible, because, yeah, they? They do cause those block blocking issues for us. So but I think the awareness of that is there now as well.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So that that's good.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): and hopefully get more stable over time. You know. Fairness, we've been using it a couple of months now. Yeah, it has blocked us a couple of times, but it always has been resolved in in one or 2 days. So

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Paweł Pawlak: okay, we've been discussing this at the Ptl.

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Paweł Pawlak: Just wanted to to to make sure that you are

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Paweł Pawlak: proposed this, and I forgot. It's a new Bank Holiday. We have an island on the beginning of February, and I completely forgot about it so apologies for that.

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Paweł Pawlak: No, no worries. Okay. So we rely on on, on Matt Jess Kevin. To to solve this issue. If if it appears right with without any, you know, specific delay

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Paweł Pawlak: as it was in the past. So yeah, let's see how it, how how it goes right. If if you would be feeling like it takes too long. So let's see if we can improve the process.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay. okay, thanks. Okay. Thank you.

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Paweł Pawlak: Back to you can be sorry for interrupting. Nope.

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Kenny Paul: no problem.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah. So if nothing else then I'll go and close. Hey? One more thing. So just just astronis with us. So so, Tony, you received an email right from from Kenny. We we've had the discussion yesterday about open Sssf.

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Paweł Pawlak: And some new capabilities. So I let you take a look we could discuss it at the at the second next week

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Paweł Pawlak: for me. you are muted.

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Kenny Paul: I must have stepped away.

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Paweł Pawlak: Oh, okay, guys, so yeah, we will. We will address it with with Tony in second on Tuesday, and maybe we'll have some some updates for you for the next year. See?

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Paweł Pawlak: All right. Thank you.

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Kenny Paul: Hockey duck.

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Kenny Paul: thank you. Everyone. Morning tomorrow.

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Kenny Paul: everybody. Bye, bye.

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Andreas Geissler: don't share your email box.