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2023 TSC Recordings	2023 TSC Decisions	Anti-Trust Policy

We will start our meetings by mentioning the project's Antitrust Policy, which you can find linked from the LF and project websites. The policy is important where multiple companies, including potential industry competitors, are participating in meetings. Please review and if you have any questions, please contact your company legal counsel. Members of the LF may contact Andrew Updegrove at the firm Gesmer Updegrove LLP, which provides legal counsel to the LF.

Attended	Proxy (w/ @name)	Holiday	Did Not Attend

Attendance is taken purely upon #info in Zoom Chat

Andreas Geißler	DT	Keguang He	China Mobile
Byung-Woo Jun	Ericsson	N.K. Shankaranarayanan	Individual
Dan Timoney	AT&T	Paweł Pawlak	Incognito
Dan Xu	Huawei	Seshu Kumar Mudiganti	Windriver
Dong Wang	China Telecom

Agenda Items	Presented By	Presos/Notes/Links/
ONAP takeaways		We are encouraging ONAP consumers to share with us their feedback, so we could prioritize our activities and make ONAP better suited their needs and requirements.
LFN Cross-Organization Updates MAC, SPC, TAC, EUAG, LFN Board	Keguang He	LF-AI Taskforce Update ONAP Large Model Possible ONE Summit Demo
LFN Cross-Organization Updates MAC, SPC, TAC, EUAG, LFN Board	N.K. Shankaranarayanan	Preso from Nephio and ORAN-SC - seems to be heading in he right direction- Cloud Native Telecom Initiative - CNF Conformance effort that has moved to LFN from CNCF.
Release Status	Byung-Woo Jun	Update project status: PTLs started updating project status, key updates and benefits. Thanks! Project Status in New Delhi Release Project Status in New Delhi Release
RelEng/Infrastructure	Jessica Gonzalez	GitHub Actions and container signing - Sigstore Nexus3- container signing implemented in September using Sigstore Nexus2 - entire RelEng team met in January to discuss . Will be doing this one community at a time ORAN-SC transition to GHA in process - simpler jobs than ONAP but still encountering a number of issues. Learning a lot. ONAP next in line - probably an Q3 deliverable Sonotype EOL-ing Nexus2 - currently on extended support with them no clear path away from nexus 2 for release items. need input from community on artifact storage options Andreas Geißler using jfrog @ DT and happy with it. Toine Siebelink for GHA don't have the ability for self merge - has resulted in occasional blockers
PTL Updates	Andreas Geißler Dan Timoney	SDNC cannot be updated for Biermann Provided by ODL initially, Kohn release announces ODL was dropping support for that (see kohn release architecture slides) conversation on moving the service orchestrator to teh RFC interface would likely need changes on the SDNC side A&AI links and such need to be aligned for example, so also SO needs to be changes at the same time Hope is to have this addressed in New Delhi
PTL Updates	Liam Fallon	Policy: Stepping down - New PTL process started
PTL Updates	Fiachra Corcoran	DMaaP: Stepping down - New PTL process started
Subcommittee Updates Arch, Lab, Modeling, Seccom, Requirements	Byung-Woo Jun Andreas Geißler	Fiachra Corcoran (PTL) initiated the DMaaP Message Router deprecation in New Delhi, DMaaP MR dependencies are being analyzed by Andreas Geissler and others list of components to change to kafka are in the OOM meeting minutes ves collector done ~8 microservices still need to be patched. Needs a review to prioritized. -should be pretty straightforward DT will be upstreaming a number of changes related to some of these
Subcommittee Updates Arch, Lab, Modeling, Seccom, Requirements	Paweł Pawlak	Need a staff member to be the backup for OpenSSF Badging - was previously David Kenny Paul follow up on who will be taking on this role in LFN 15 Feb 2024
Subcommittee Updates Arch, Lab, Modeling, Seccom, Requirements	Amy Zwarico	Package upgrades for New Delhi Stay tuned for targeted updates that will be needed.
Upcoming Events & Housekeeping		ONE Summit : the session agenda for ONE Summit 2024 has been published, https://events.linuxfoundation.org/one-summit-north-america/program/schedule/ . APRIL 29 - MAY 1, 2024 \| IN-PERSON LFN D&TF May 2-3 following ONE Summit Looking for a new Program Committee member Annual Report https://lfnetworking.org/resources/research/lf-networking-2023-annual-report/

Zoom Chat Log

00:11:17 Kenny Paul: https://lf-onap.atlassian.net/wiki/x/dEvs
00:29:26 Kenny Paul: page https://lf-onap.atlassian.net/wiki/x/Im-8
00:29:38 Kenny Paul: release ^^
00:51:33 Byung-Woo Jun: OOM meeting link, https://lf-onap.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DW/OOM+Meeting+Notes+-+2024-02-07
01:01:49 Tony Hansen: Kenny, contact me if you need more info on this
01:02:02 Kenny Paul: thanks Tony. :-)
01:03:07 Kenny Paul: ONE Summit https://events.linuxfoundation.org/one-summit-north-america/program/schedule/
01:05:09 Kenny Paul: Annual Report https://lfnetworking.org/resources/research/lf-networking-2023-annual-report/

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Kenny Paul: Which provides legal counsel to the Lf. Its policies enforce whether there is a member of staff attending the call or not.

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Andreas Geissler: Oh, my history and my stories.

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Kenny Paul: Oh, yeah, you can all go read that at some point. Oh, my.

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Keguang He: Okay. Yes, we yes. We have.

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Keguang He: and And we also hope more people can join this. Requirements. With us together. Okay, that's all about.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. Great. Thank you. Sha Shanka, to my understanding, to China Mobile have their own module, does keep background. Mention about it, and and the China telecom don't want. They have the model to. And on top of that they are adding additional domain specific module which you know, store in the data services. So I think there are 2 enhancement in New Delhi, in Ui and one from China mobile one from China. Telecom, I think, after new daily, we have

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Kenny Paul: Thank you so much. Kikwan.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So the elephant tag of late. There's been a lot of interest or focus on cloud related topics.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: The other part, which people should be aware of, and many might already be there. Is this the Cnc F cloud, native computing? Foundation. I forget what that is. But all that. There is a lot of change in the whole organizations. And now there is

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So just giving an update, just be aware that in the larger elephant, also, there's there's all these new things happening which are cloud related.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, that's that's mainly the updated.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, thanks. So much. Sankar.

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Kenny Paul: Release status. You, you wanted to click on the link. Yeah. Can you? Can you click the link?

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Byung-Woo Jun: This is continuous update, Andreas and I update his page and also Pto the updating, too.

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Andreas Geissler: Yeah. Thomas, well has no help charts. So therefore documentation has. No, I know that's why I put the name. But maybe we can put that. Okay.

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Jessica Wagantall: Hi, thank you, Tony Yup so I wanted to give up a day on this.

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Kenny Paul: Thank you, Andreas.

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Andreas Geissler: and these have to be checked so how they can be migrated to to native Kafka. Then we have the Nb component

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Andreas Geissler: I know internally, and so did Nbi is usually in archive mode.

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Andreas Geissler: We as dt have, let's say. talked it internally, and we are also trying to

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Andreas Geissler: get the the Kafka make a get it, Kafka, native integrated, and we might see if we can push this, then on. So that means we would need to unarchive this component if we want to get it in. If Ndi is not wanted by the community, then of course we can. We can skip it in the deployment AI resources we are also doing, and we will upstream that

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Andreas Geissler: that is, also done by us, and also the so Vpm and infra

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Andreas Geissler: we have, or it was discussed with Michael from the Stcc. That the Stc. Is configured, and it is already configured to use the a a native Kafka implementation, but it has still

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Andreas Geissler: one call to the message route. Right at the beginning. We assume that it's about

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Andreas Geissler: creating basically topics in the message router, but most likely

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Andreas Geissler: if you do not deploy the message, router, it will not harm. So I have seen it is still working. So the Stnc. Sdc. Is still working also without an imple, without an deployed message. Router the policy, I think

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Andreas Geissler: Liam has created. A task for policy to update the policy components. I think 3 of them are using currently message router

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Andreas Geissler: and it is I think, planned I hope at least for New Delhi.

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Andreas Geissler: how we implement that there and there is homes, whereas Holmes is also not maintained any more. So most likely we will get rid of homes anyway, in New Delhi.

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Andreas Geissler: If there's no change

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Andreas Geissler: So admit we have a couple of components which need to be changed. But it's ongoing, and we try to get this really done in New in New David

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Kenny Paul: the timeline here. I know that you had mentioned that

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Kenny Paul: mentorship task.

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Kenny Paul: I will state in saying that, but I don't know where we are.

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Andreas Geissler: With the cycle. I think that we're actually

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Andreas Geissler: I think that's gonna be too late.

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Kenny Paul: Based upon looking at this 50

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Kenny Paul: The next mentorship cycle will. The folks will actually be

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Kenny Paul: okay, thoughts questions.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: kenny, this mentorship cycle, are you talking about the intern program?

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Kenny Paul: Yes.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so it's

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: there's going to be

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Just so sorry III missed that. II heard part of it. So it's the applications and all that will be sometime in

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: March or April or

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Kenny Paul: May. Me? Well, no May May is when they would be starting. So the cycle

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Kenny Paul: starts earlier than that. Casey would be running it for Lfm. Casey King.

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Kenny Paul: so I can reach out. See? How many

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: is it? Roughly, yeah, is it roughly the same budget as last year?

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Kenny Paul: might be a little less, because not everybody took advantage of it last year, which was very unfortunate. And right, it's like, you know, use it or lose it. So.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And this is an elephant program, right? Or or an Lf program. This is an LF program. But the budget comes from elephant

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Kenny Paul: for any work being done in la.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Lf-wide program.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Got it? Yeah.

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Kenny Paul: Okay? So you're gonna reach out to Casey on that.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, I'm just interested thought we would get something going last year. But I think the timing didn't work out. Yeah.

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Kenny Paul: okay, look.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, thanks.

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Kenny Paul: moving on.

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Kenny Paul: Following David's departure, we have a

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Kenny Paul: support gap related to

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Kenny Paul: open Sssf badging.

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Kenny Paul: David's name was basically associated with most of the work. I in the context of

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Kenny Paul: more fun project, or we've lost a Ptl. Or what have you?

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Kenny Paul: Responsibility for? This was not reassigned.

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Kenny Paul: I assume it would be going to Sandra at this point, for those of you that joined late

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Kenny Paul: so let me

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Kenny Paul: follow up on. But it'll probably be Sandra.

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Kenny Paul: It may be something that we try and centralize.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay, thank you, Kenny.

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Where's the little check box? There we go.

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Kenny Paul: I'll tag next week.

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Kenny Paul: Okay,

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Kenny Paul: don't see any online. Anyone able to talk about?

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just an update that Amy's team is working on on the

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Paweł Pawlak: latest, latest packages, proposals for the average for New Delhi.

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Paweł Pawlak: So please stay tuned. I hope that somewhere next week we should have

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Paweł Pawlak: some wikis available for the Ptl's.

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Paweł Pawlak: and once it is done we will share with you

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Paweł Pawlak: and this this update. But work in progress

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Paweł Pawlak: back to you, Kenny.

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Kenny Paul: Sorry coughing.

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Kenny Paul: okay.

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Kenny Paul: moving on. Then one summit coming up in April.

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Kenny Paul: All the information is there that you could possibly want. But I will drop the link in

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Kenny Paul: now following that

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Kenny Paul: the Dntf will be May second and third

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Kenny Paul: as folks probably recall Timo Perlla, who'd been doing this for a number of years

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Kenny Paul: has stepped down and has taken that responsibility on for the Nepo community. Being on the Dntf Program Committee.

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Kenny Paul: So we need a new representative for own app.

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Kenny Paul: On. That. Casey's in the process and starting to get that put to pull together

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Kenny Paul: the program committee as a meaning

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once a week on Friday.

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Kenny Paul: The responsibilities are basically around helping to

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Kenny Paul: sessions for a particular community.

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Kenny Paul: updating the the

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Kenny Paul: schedule, the agenda in the teamup application

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Kenny Paul: and basically providing feedback to the community on what's going on? Status and deadlines and such. So

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Kenny Paul: if there's any hands that that would like to go up right now. I'll make sure you get at it. If not,

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Kenny Paul: please reach out to Mr. Casey Kane.

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Kenny Paul: as he is a point of content for that.

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Kenny Paul: and seeing no hands up

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Kenny Paul: recently released, is our annual report.

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Kenny Paul: I'll drop that link in there.

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Kenny Paul: For your browsing pleasure.

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Kenny Paul: Take a look at that. That's not the own app, that is, for elephant. So you can read up on

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Kenny Paul: what we did last year.

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Kenny Paul: Are there any

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Kenny Paul: other topics? Items? Discussions for today? Okay, can you just a comment there is a section for run up, right and and sections for all the projects.

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Kenny Paul: yes, it's, it's it's yeah, it's not about own app exclusively, it's about Lfm, but there is an on app section and sections for other projects.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, seeing no other topics, Paul. With your permission, we'll go ahead and close the meeting out.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes, please. One question to you, because on Monday you had the day off in Ireland. so are you. Are you satisfied with the progress on the

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Paweł Pawlak: on your request last week?

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Paweł Pawlak: Remind me of this cause. There's a few things going this was, I think it was actions.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): not totally satisfied. But I think it's yeah. Now we Jessica explained that

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So the get of actions is has caused us a few problems over the last couple of months. I was hoping that we could have a mechanism, that that if the get of action was failing for some reason that that that some people would have the right to kind of ignore that just like we can

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): at the moment. If the normal verify fields, and I know it's just a build issue I can. I can give a plus one myself, and I can still merge to coach when necessary when we're stuck.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): But for the Github actions it doesn't seem to be possible to do something similar. So Jessica has just committed that herself and Matt and Kevin.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): If there's any problems they will do their best to solve them as quick as possible, because, yeah, they? They do cause those block blocking issues for us. So but I think the awareness of that is there now as well.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So that that's good.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): and hopefully get more stable over time. You know. Fairness, we've been using it a couple of months now. Yeah, it has blocked us a couple of times, but it always has been resolved in in one or 2 days. So

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Paweł Pawlak: okay, we've been discussing this at the Ptl.

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Paweł Pawlak: Just wanted to to to make sure that you are

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Paweł Pawlak: proposed this, and I forgot. It's a new Bank Holiday. We have an island on the beginning of February, and I completely forgot about it so apologies for that.

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Paweł Pawlak: No, no worries. Okay. So we rely on on, on Matt Jess Kevin. To to solve this issue. If if it appears right with without any, you know, specific delay

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Paweł Pawlak: as it was in the past. So yeah, let's see how it, how how it goes right. If if you would be feeling like it takes too long. So let's see if we can improve the process.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay. okay, thanks. Okay. Thank you.

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Paweł Pawlak: Back to you can be sorry for interrupting. Nope.

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Kenny Paul: no problem.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah. So if nothing else then I'll go and close. Hey? One more thing. So just just astronis with us. So so, Tony, you received an email right from from Kenny. We we've had the discussion yesterday about open Sssf.

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Paweł Pawlak: And some new capabilities. So I let you take a look we could discuss it at the at the second next week

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Paweł Pawlak: for me. you are muted.

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Kenny Paul: I must have stepped away.

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Paweł Pawlak: Oh, okay, guys, so yeah, we will. We will address it with with Tony in second on Tuesday, and maybe we'll have some some updates for you for the next year. See?

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Paweł Pawlak: All right. Thank you.

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Kenny Paul: Hockey duck.

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Kenny Paul: thank you. Everyone. Morning tomorrow.

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Kenny Paul: everybody. Bye, bye.

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Andreas Geissler: don't share your email box.

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