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00:20:43    Kenny Paul:    #vote does the TSC approve re-enabling the modeling/etsicatalog repo without anyone to currently maintain it? +1, 0, -1
00:20:48    Byung-Woo Jun:    +1
00:20:57    Timo Perala:    +1
00:21:06    Andreas GEISSLER (DT):    #vote +1
00:21:22    Dan Xu:    #vote +1
00:21:39    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    #vote +1
00:21:55    Seshu Kumar Mudiganti:    #vote +1
00:22:15    Pawel Pawlak:    Vote +1
00:22:15    Keguang He:    #vote +1
00:22:16    Kenny Paul:    #endvote
00:22:38    Tony Hansen:    When a repo goes into unmaintained status, also need to change its badging status to indicate that it is unmaintained
00:22:50    Kenny Paul:    AGREED: the TSC approved re-enabling the modeling/etsicatalog repo without anyone to currently maintain it
00:28:10    Pawel Pawlak:    Congrats TSC TEAM!
00:30:36    Kenny Paul:    Budget: AGREED maintain the current run rate for 2024
00:42:43    Byung-Woo Jun:    @Kenny Paul , an IT ticket was issued for making the etsicatalog repo active and add a Jenkins job for the etsicatalog repo, https://jira.linuxfoundation.org/plugins/servlet/desk/portal/2/IT-26118
00:44:35    Byung-Woo Jun:    The etsicatalog rehome will be discussed later for the New Delhi - need to go through ARCCOM and SO discussions. Thanks.

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Kenny Paul: Okay. So let me get in here to edit mode.

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Kenny Paul:  takeaways.

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Kenny Paul: Go ahead and turn my camera off here. Now.

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Kenny Paul: maybe there we go.

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Kenny Paul:  powell, do we have? Have any

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Kenny Paul: Let's see. Is he on the call? Yes. Do we have anything

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Pawel Pawlak: No, I don't think so.

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Kenny Paul: Okay.

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Kenny Paul:  Andreas

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): no news on that. So I didn't have time to look into the the, let's say, replies, basically, the replies, what I've seen were just mentioning. Okay?

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT):  we have detected the same problems as I have detected. But I hadn't go into any kind of solution mode. And what is a bit missing is.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): can the customers live with the problems

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): or the left over? Let's say problems. That is not clear to me. So I mean it. There are some some issues which are not resolved by by the patch. But is someone depending on a solution for for the other remaining

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): topic like this, Af. S. SMS issue and Orf. If not, I would not like to investigate or invest any any effort on on on patching debt.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Because I think best would be, anyway, to to get rid of Af and move to London. Yeah. So but

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): as I said so, I didn't have time to to go into the details in the last weeks. because I was too busy with other stuff.

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Kenny Paul: Okay.

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Kenny Paul: anyone have anything else on the Aaf certificates?

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Kenny Paul: Okay, we're gonna talk about Epsi catalog here. I'm going to actually break this out into

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Kenny Paul: oops. That's not what I meant to do.

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Kenny Paul: Let's do that.

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Kenny Paul: Going to break this out into 2 separate

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Kenny Paul: just for clarity.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, Jungmu, would you like to take the lead here.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Sure do we? It's not here. But do we ask about the retirement of the modeling se catal vehicle component the application, and also ask to archive this module. So I think the

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Byung-Woo Jun: Amy and discussed, I think, currently is already a deprecated archive. So I raise issue. Because

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Byung-Woo Jun: as a category for is the core component for all the onap se alignment components sold by. So the adapter and S on Apo and other Vfc, they're using this as the cadro repo as the inventory for all the sc

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Byung-Woo Jun: package and attribute. So that's the background. So I ask the demo, we

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Byung-Woo Jun: just to describe the impact by doing this. And so and

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Byung-Woo Jun: and also we clarified archiving. A module means, you know, is no longer part of the release field, so that means the repo component will not be part of their own app delivery. That means

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Byung-Woo Jun: own app. I see alignment component will not work anymore. So that's why, if you we want to retire this we should retire all the own se alignment components

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Byung-Woo Jun: along together. But Amy, send email to us.

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Byung-Woo Jun: there are active owner components that need as the alignment component. That means we need to reconsider this component retirement. And also

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Byung-Woo Jun: can you know the vishal from the spark New Zealand? He said, they are using se alignment components. So that's why we need to discuss what we gonna do. So we're gonna

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Byung-Woo Jun: restore the Sd Cadro Lippo component back to Montreal, or we gonna discuss about retirement of the other on a component problem. Is any said is still some of the owner component or se alignment is the active. So anyway, that's the background. That's the situation.

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Kenny Paul: So are there? Are, are there aspects of the things in that repo that

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Kenny Paul: need security patching.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I don't. I don't think so. I think the issue is, they're trying to mobile. They created this se catal manager

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Byung-Woo Jun: but they don't. They don't long go participating in contributor for this component. That's why it has been

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Byung-Woo Jun: There's no enhancement last 11 months, according to zoom. That's why he you know, asked us to make it retire duplicate this module. So I don't think it's so related to Security patch issue or something, but no one working with this for this. That's the issue.

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Kenny Paul: That would be the logical place for the support for this to be coming from.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: made. So component modular.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So yep.

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: yeah, for giving that information that

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: in case we don't have any place else, the the best place to keep Etsy catalog would be so. because currently there so is a consumer for that initially, which was part of modeling was we thought of. We'll actually have it shared between multiple components. But looking at the kind of scenario where we don't have any other consumers of it, as so is the right place to keep it. Actually, II volunteer to

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: to move the project under a so that we don't required to have this issue further. And we also have the important point to notice. There is a a A live operator who's actually using it like spark. Newsland is using it.

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: We promote it long time before to to them to have it. It's it's all 3 based solution for their internal use. Also, they're in production, by the way.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think that's a good suggestion. That's that's the you know, cause. This component is cool of the own app se alignment. So that's why we, unless you want to give up

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Byung-Woo Jun: se, only have support for Selimon, and we need to change something. So, as Sashi's suggestion, we can move it on the Sso. And but this is some kind of you know, need to pass more. I don't know who's gonna do it. But anyway, so that's the one option. But for now I think, though, Jessica. I think. Bill, I don't know. Jessica will

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Byung-Woo Jun: address. But if the first short term solution, I think pre back in the current location. And then we gonna discuss how to move it to so on the

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, yes, the short term. And for now, once you restore that. and then I think we do talk to do more. But once we tse agree there, and this one can be restored.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then that the other component works as is, and then the the after and the team. And we need to discuss about how to move this one into. So there's still, you know, some.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think, probably annually, I think for Montreal just to restore back. That's that's my suggestion. Seshy. What do you think?

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: for next release for release. Any further, we can port that code completely from the modeling to it. So that should be really fine.

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: once we have the continents place. Once we have the continents in place for deployment of it, it will be the same. There'll not be much change in that.

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: The only change would be in the bill scripts and the and the report itself. That would be the change.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, just for 10 min.

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Kenny Paul: So folks in it your thoughts based upon what you've heard.

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Kenny Paul: The first thing would be for the Tsc to

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Kenny Paul: So let's start with with. with the first I will

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Kenny Paul: was the Nsc

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Kenny Paul: It's a catalog repo

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Kenny Paul: Don Chou. Obviously, you're here.

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Kenny Paul: says you. Obviously, you're here.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Okay? So that's

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Kenny Paul: now. So that's step one

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think Jessica already knew how to do it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: what to do. No.

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Jessica Wagantall: the I just need the information on the jobs that need to be restored. And if those jobs are gonna be if the code from those jobs are gonna be moved somewhere else all that information. Basically.

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Jessica Wagantall: If the source code is gonna be moved somewhere else. And which jobs do you guys want to restore?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Sorry Jessica, moving to this quote to on the so desk for next release. Not this release for Montreal. We just simply restore the S. Account a little bit back back to Active.

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Jessica Wagantall: Okay. then. That's all the information we need in the ticket. If you want whoever writes the Jc. Ticket, just put in the message that should be assigned to me if you want, and

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Jessica Wagantall: I can, so that whoever is on support lets me know about that ticket.

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Jessica Wagantall: and I can take care of it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Good, thanks.

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Kenny Paul: Okay. Who's opening the ticket?

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Byung-Woo Jun: My opinion that this contradicting open ticket? Right? So maybe we have already said that he's not involved.

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Kenny Paul: Okay, okay? So the Tsc has just voted to re enable. So somebody needs to take responsibility for it and can't

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Kenny Paul: punt it to Dang way, because he's already said that he's no longer supporting.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun:  maybe I can check with the Jessica, and then I can, you know, ask a ticket for toward Jessica. Okay?

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: So doing, what I suggest is, you can also have word with Vishal. Okay, because he understands the con. He's a consumer for that.

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: So you can talk to Visha also, because he understands the modules. What he's consuming it

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: account that what Jessica will require is the artifacts and and the the specifications which have to specifically post for it.

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Seshu Kumar Mudiganti: We can do a backtracking office. From there we should be able to get the code that should be okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay.

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David McBride: does. The ticket will ask for removing the repo from archive status and moving it under SO. Or just removing it from archive status moving back to original place, not to Sso. Another ticket there will be okay. So for one trio, we just Jessica, just restore the original place where he came from.

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Byung-Woo Jun: The modeling

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Kenny Paul: Okidok.

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Kenny Paul: okay, any liaison updates

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Kenny Paul: any task force updates.

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Kenny Paul: Okay? On the elections. The elections are closed and

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Kenny Paul: everyone that ran has

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Kenny Paul: Yamu.

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Kenny Paul: Andres and Seshu. So congratulations everyone.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Thank you.

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Kenny Paul:  So next up will be the

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Kenny Paul: officer elections.

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Kenny Paul: and we'll we'll get that going. Let's see, is that noted on

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Kenny Paul: and stay tuned for that. Sandra's out for 2 weeks.

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Kenny Paul:  That might delay that for a little bit. If it's okay with everyone.

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Kenny Paul:  budget planning sent email to the Tsc

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David McBride: I can't remember what the rules are for email modes.

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Kenny Paul: I just submit the ticket for the official removal of the or archival of the Repo.

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Toine Siebelink: Thank you.

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Kenny Paul: David, any. I mean, updates published anything to report specifically.

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David McBride: Yeah, I think it. It's we need feedback from Andreas. whether it's an issue or not.

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Jessica Wagantall: Yeah. And just as a reminder, this is the boat is for enabling a 2 factor authentication across everyone in Jira. And just as a reminder. If we agree to do this it should.

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Jessica Wagantall: it should be it should take very short time to execute, and about maybe 2 days to get everyone everyone access reflected.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So, Andreas, and am. I say, we had a design couple of the sessions. So I'm gonna be there.

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Kenny Paul:  that's it for folks in India. There is the one summer regional day in Bangalore

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Kenny Paul: that's it. and I will let everyone go. Have a great day and talk to you later.

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Matthew Watkins: Thank you very much.