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00:19:38    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    #info N.K.Shankar, IC
00:34:37    David McBride:    Need to drop
00:35:04    Sandra Jackson:    Ok thanks David!
00:57:54    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    Updated version of slide deck which was presented yesterday in joint O-RAN WG1/OSC session are here: https://wiki.o-ran-sc.org/download/attachments/89784359/dec_smo_flows_v0.6_20231018.pptx?api=v2
00:58:37    Byung-Woo Jun:    Thanks, Shankar!
01:02:55    Toine SIEBELINK (EST):    have to drop, thanks!
01:03:13    Sandra Jackson:    Thank you Toine, have a good day!

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Sandra Jackson: Hi, Darwin.

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Sandra Jackson: guessmark up the grove. L lp.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright

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Sandra Jackson: on the agenda for to day. Hold on

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Sandra Jackson: bunch of stuff in my way here.

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Sandra Jackson: on the agenda for today.

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Sandra Jackson: And we have

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Sandra Jackson: the 3 Gpp, presentation by verion, Kaguan.

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Sandra Jackson: we're gonna talk about voting and some budget stuff reminders

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Sandra Jackson: release updates. And we have some berlinge updates and our subcommittee updates. And then our regular housekeeping.

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Sandra Jackson: Is there anything that needs to be added to the agenda

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Sandra Jackson: or any questions?

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, well, with the silence we'll proceed. Pegwan, do you need to share?

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Keguang He: Okay. I will share my screen.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, I'll stop sharing

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Keguang He: a

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Keguang He: okay. Hello, everyone. And I'm excited to share with

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Keguang He: and shit

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Keguang He: share with you the highlights of the 3 TPSA. 5.

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Keguang He: One file one meeting.

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Keguang He: It took place in Xiamen, China, from October ninth to October thirteenth

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Keguang He: with around 100 participates. So in both online and offline. the utmost atmosphere was a vibrate.

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Keguang He: These are representative representatives from various companies

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Keguang He: actively contributing to the discussions.

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Keguang He: and you can find them more detailed since from the meeting report.

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Keguang He: and during this meeting we focus on driving the release waiting project

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Keguang He: are forward. Under

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Keguang He: delivered into the scope of the upcoming 19 projects.

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Keguang He: we managed to reach some initial

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Keguang He: consigns on several courage projects such as close counter loop management.

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Keguang He: the efficiency of a 0 touch, obtruion and management

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Keguang He: management. Date, 19 Internet driver management service for a mobile network

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Keguang He: under the management aspect of a

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Keguang He: a network digital twin and management of networks aside, a network sharing on the cloud

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Keguang He: aspects of the management and obstruction.

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Keguang He: and and AI and Ml. Management under the scope of all these 19 projects. is still on. The discussion of the funny details

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Keguang He: will be confirmed

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Keguang He: If you are interested. In more specific details.

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Keguang He: You can fake the attached documents for the online updates.

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For release. 19.

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Keguang He: And that's all. Thank you.

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Keguang He: Okay, thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. We'll move down to the TS.

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Sandra Jackson: See activities and deadlines. Just a reminder. I think most of you have already voted, but a reminder that the election

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Sandra Jackson: ends tomorrow.

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Sandra Jackson: and then we'll move on to the next phase of the elections, which I think would be the the co-chair elections and shared elections.

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Sandra Jackson: again. The election ends tomorrow. and then we'll start the nominations for the Co. Chair and chair elections.

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Sandra Jackson: 2024 budget planning. There was an email that went out. Believe it was Tuesday.

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Sandra Jackson: And it's going to be done a little differently this year. I think the governing board is going to review the budget in our November meeting, November 20 ninth. So we need the information from you all.

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Kenny Paul: Yeah.

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Kenny Paul: The process is essentially same, that it's just the timing of it is a little bit different.

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the communities are saying, Hey, we just need to maintain our status quo.

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Kenny Paul: That's certainly what happened to  with onap last year is like, Okay, just

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Kenny Paul: and keep everything flat to the previous previous year's budget.

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Kenny Paul:  the current run rate for own app.

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Marek Szwalkiewicz: we are working with Matt. On moving away from Asia to a vect host on demand pipeline

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Marek Szwalkiewicz: which should significantly lower if we're succeeding, if we succeed significantly, lower the bill there. But this we we are just starting. So this will take some time.

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Kenny Paul: Yeah, certainly not a not a quick turnaround. So that's good. I was a a little bit peripherally aware of that. But

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Kenny Paul: been focused on other things. So thanks for that. Update American. And David.

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Kenny Paul: anyway. So the email is linked there in the minutes.

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Kenny Paul: No. By November third.

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David McBride: or you need a pipe.

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Sandra Jackson: Then we need to change that in a notes that says, twenty-third on the notes.

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Kenny Paul: Yeah, no, the notes. The notes are wrong. It's it's

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Kenny Paul: we need the input by November third.

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Kenny Paul: and it's going up before the governing board for a vote and approval on the twenty-ninth of November.

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Kenny Paul: So I don't have any idea where that date of the 20 third came from.

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David McBride: That was my bad. Sorry about that, Kenny.

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David McBride: Yeah. One thing. The email from Kenny that

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David McBride: it might have been a little confusing, because the the table got

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David McBride: scrambled in groups. I/O, but I think if you find the email in your inbox in your regular email client, I think it should be displayed properly in case there was any confusion about that.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: thank you, Kenny. Thank you, David.

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Sandra Jackson: All right. come on. You want to speak. I see his proposal to retire. The Cps

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Well, not the Cps project. No thanks. Cps project. No, no, no, no, no, not at all, not at all.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): No, this is

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): This was a part of the Cps project. It's kind of a separate repo. And

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this was started by Bell Canada, and we worked with them together at the time. It was an interesting feature where it was tracking changes in the cps environment. But they'll kind of was no longer interested. we're not using it. Nobody else is. No one up is using it.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Although Ericson is interested in the concept. We. We have no priority for this and and if anything, we we probably do it in a very different way.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Anyway, the option of it is that the project is not maintained. Nobody is modifying the code anymore, but improves, releases. That's kind of the usual stuff, you know. The way we get

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): request for vulnerabilities to be fixed. And they did end up with the Cps team. So the Cps team was just kind of keeping. The dependencies up to date, etc., for the project and and bumping the version on releases and all yeah, those of kind of additional activities. For nobody. Basically so

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): since it's no longer used. And II tried to contact Bell again, if they definitely don't want to come back to this or whatever, but basically without confirmation that they're not using it

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): and no longer have interest in maintaining this.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So therefore, we want to retire this this particular Cps Temple project.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So I've seen the process now set up by Amy. I think mainly it's quite good, quite clear. And

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): I think we're yeah. Was it due, Dave. He showed us the different steps among the emails.

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David McBride: Could you open that link but for the process.

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Sandra Jackson: this one?

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): so we kind of had to look at these steps for freezing and maintain project. And my understanding is that it's probably scroll down a little bit. Steps.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Close it. Yeah. Thanks.

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David McBride: Yeah. So we we had an email exchange about this and

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David McBride: in in, included Amy. I was hoping that Amy would attend today. But it looks like she's not available.

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David McBride: But Amy concurred with our conclusion that we're we're through the first 5 steps

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David McBride: and this included also. Agreement from or feedback from ROM

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David McBride: from Bell before he left that. They're not going to pursue the project anymore. So so I think we? We have a concurrence from, you know, Setcom from the original developer.

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David McBride: And the research that Twon has done that, we're up through the first 5 steps. So we're at Step 6, basically. And that's why we're putting this in front of the TSC. To day to get concurrence from the TSC. That we will retire. This project.

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Sandra Jackson: Now the only issue is, you may have to do this again and next week, because I don't think we're at quorum to take a vote on this.

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David McBride: Yeah, I was. I was worried about that.

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David McBride: I was looking at the list of attendees. I,

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David McBride: you might be right

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Sandra Jackson: unless someone here is a proxy for someone else. We don't have a a quorum to vote on it.

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Sandra Jackson: Do we have any proxies on a line.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, yeah. So we may have to table this until next week, David, and into one.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): yeah, that that's okay.

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Kenny Paul: Or just take it to an email, though.

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Sandra Jackson: or take it to an email vote. Thank you, Mr. Paul.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: II have a quick question. Fortun. Yeah, this is shankar.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: I'm sorry I missed the I I'm sorry I missed the first few minutes of the of the call the first 10 min.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So Cps project is, I think, doing great work, and and you know we are involved in other use cases using it

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: on the temporal side. I always watched it with interest.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Because it's it's an IM, it's a really important solution which nobody was working on. And I know from. And Bruno was there from from bell in the early days.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So if nobody's using is, of course you know we should not waste time on it, not not time. We have time, and resources are stretched. But II just want just in a few sentences again. So

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so the the issue is, progress was made. But but if if nobody from Belle is interested in the Time series. Aspect of the configuration, then is that essentially what you're saying? Right?

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST):  yeah, yeah, there, there's exceptional saying, maybe I should even add that there is actually the way it was developed was not really with performance in mind, and the the the impact on the Cps project when this features turned on is actually very significant, and we had to turn it off

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because of the amount of events and the size of the events have been produced being produced by it. So obviously, it needed some more work to make it more fine grained.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): But yeah, we we we don't have the resources, and it's it's not a priority for us to this feature. Not in the long term. So yeah, we just wanna freeze it for now

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): and and and prevent the additional maintenance or around release time and vulnerabilities that are coming out of this.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So there's active development on something similar. But but this particular yeah, we're not continuing that.

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Sandra Jackson: she's Louise. Thank you.

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David McBride: No. No updates this week. Just a reminder that our Rc. Milestone is coming up on November ninth.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I can show a couple of pages. But before that I tried to. You know, summarize that we are preparing, and dtf topics and outcome. Preparedly, only a stream, 90 architectural evolution.

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Byung-Woo Jun: this is what the Akom and the Oem team discussed. And then, currently this, most of them achieved by the Montreal release. So we are applying Ci, and then we have own code, and we going to build pipeline. And then we are building the component individually.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you, Dan.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then they tried to bring in own app function to build their own Oscmo function, and that's a good. But they tried to bring whole own app as is, and then they realize many problems to still be, too, you know, Chunky.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's why I introduced them on. It is changing. Now, owner streamlining. So we wants to provide the individual component function. So that's why, when Osc.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Smo, they want to bring in. The you know, some of the only function, not everything, and, like Shankar showed. Then if they take the new approach you from own app on a zoom, mind you will, really beneficial to them. So they kind of understand. And also I link the

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I think that's a yeah second shanker. So definitely, I like to include this one into the architecture revolution and then collaboration with the other community. Definitely, I'm gonna cover this one.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So I'm glad. At least there is awareness. And so anything that's happening in on app. And if you want that automation and to be relevant to management of the radio access network, whether it's Fiveg or 60, if you're not part of this game, then you're not.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then how they gonna take advantage of the owner function. So we are, we are in sync. So we're gonna discuss. And then Andrews will continue to define that individual buildings for CD. I think they will have the osu.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So, Bjung, I'll send you the slide we can discuss by email. But II won't. I can log in view remotely. But if you, if you find a way to just add this to whatever you're presenting, it's just a few slides. My news will do will do, and I can be your proxy, and also Andrews will prepare something. But if he cannot present me. Then I'll just helping the Andrus present his slide. So I'm gonna be there. So okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: we'll talk offline. Okay and rest. And chunk.

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Andreas Geissler: Thanks. Yeah.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: One thing since the tag on, and then also one is here. Jen is here. I only have. There are several level of intent. Okay, intent. There are several level. So I mean the channel telecom. They're supporting the Ui, the using user intend, and there's the higher level.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. So then we're gonna wrap up with the housekeeping. Our usual housekeeping reminder about the daylight daylight savings time that comes up

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Kenny Paul: co-located with anything from the page. I couldn't. It wasn't obvious that it was co-located with any other event. No, it's it is not it is a stand alone being hosted by infos.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, I wanted to make sure, and that was the answer I gave you. Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: So, please, if you have not registered register and let's get there. The information is there, Jeanne? Topic proposals, topic proposals. Please get those in as soon as possible.

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Kenny Paul: the deadline is, in fact. November first.

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Kenny Paul: Kenny. No, not many topics there yet, Kenny. Yeah, there's there's not many topics. There's 8 from own app.  lfn, as a collective is notoriously bad for getting in

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Kenny Paul: We've communicated that to the Finance Committee governing board based upon the thresholds that we were looking to meet.

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Kenny Paul: so you'll know to. You'll know folks that know I'll be there can then, you know, plan on how to avoid me

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Sandra Jackson: and Kenny no worries. I will hold it down and make sure that I, jack everything up before you get there to keep it interesting for you.

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Kenny Paul: Perfect. So, Kenny, sorry. Quick question here, John. Here. I kind of forgot. But I think I know the answer. There's no online participation for people that can't make it correct. No, there is we. We will be doing what we have always done since the very beginning, which is, we will have zoom bridges available for people to

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Okay, no, that's that's clear. Do people need to register if they don't come, make it to be able to log in into one of those zoom zoom bridges, or do they not need to register for that?

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Kenny Paul: And then there's a whole different set of expectations. So we will probably enable that

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Kenny Paul: registration, and then be begging people to register the day of the event for for remote attendees.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): No, I had some of my team members that would just like to join some of the presentations remotely, and that that's why I'm asking

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Sandra Jackson: Other questions last minute comments.

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Sandra Jackson: alright, so just a reminder that Pablo is out next week, and so am I.

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Sandra Jackson: please register for the Dntf. And I'm looking forward to meeting those who will be in attendance

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Sandra Jackson: with that everyone have a good day. Good evening. Good night.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you, but

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