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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi, JI, Thomas, hope this is the white meeting.

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Jack LUCAS (Individual): It's what showed up in the email.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, Cassandra changed it last week. I'm not sure

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Byung-Woo Jun: I'm not sure

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Byung-Woo Jun: who's there.

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Byung-Woo Jun: If if they send her doesn't show up here, then I'm gonna try to switch to meeting, maybe

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Byung-Woo Jun: looks right. We're in the room meeting. I don't know.

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Jack LUCAS (Individual): Could you post the link?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh, Tom, team? Oh, yeah, yeah, this is right. But this is right. Okay, good

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Byung-Woo Jun: Sandra. We were worried about during the wrong meeting. You're in the right one. I was just running my dog last minute, decided she needs to go out so sorry about being a little.

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Byung-Woo Jun: No problem, thank you. Thank you.

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Hold on. Let me get

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): the

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): shucks. I forgot to update that thing. This is a reminder to

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): go into the meeting minutes and highlight yourself as in attendance, please. I did forget to highlight it on our

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): beginner slide. I meant to

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): update the Beginner slide to say so. But I'm reminding everyone now and let me share.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): So again, we're not doing the pound info anymore. It's the go into the hit edit and highlight yourself as an in attendance. And if you're having a problem, let me know.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and let's hop into it. Let me, page

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): thank you to everyone who's highlighting themselves. and for those who are just tuning in again. Go to edit and highlight yourself as attend in attendance.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Green is for attendant.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay? A review of the Agenda for today. It's not a lot on here.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): we have a couple of cross organizational updates and liaison updates.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And then I guess we'll have a update from the subcommittee, which is good. We will keep that conversation going, and then our housekeeping events. I don't think Paul is back this week.

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Paweł Pawlak (Incognito): you are. Yes.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, okay. I didn't think you were back this week. I couldn't remember. I knew you were on holiday.  okay. alright. Well, it was something that we probably need to discuss, that I did not click on the agenda because I wasn't sure if you were back so

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Paweł Pawlak (Incognito): No worries.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): We can handle it next week. Okay, let me see. Alright.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Anything missed. Or does anyone have any additions to today's agenda?

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Yeah. One remark to the problems obviously many

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Andreas Geissler (DT): customers of owner have with older releases regarding the pay F

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Andreas Geissler (DT): certificate expiry.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Maybe you can add that I will then shortly talk about it.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): So we have issues with all releases up to cone.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And I will. This is the right place.

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Andreas Geissler (DT):  we can put it there. Yeah.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): alright.

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David McBride: Sandra. I'd like, talk a little bit about release planning

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David McBride: going forward.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay, again. II know I'm saying like a broken record. But I'm gonna beat it until everybody gets it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): remember to highlight yourself in attendance. We're no longer doing the pound and first name, last name.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): please highlight yourself, and if you're having an issue, just drop me something in the chat to let me know.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright. So jumping into the agenda we have, everyone should have we? We were talking about the onap

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): tagline. and everyone should have received their ballots. I think I sent them out.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I wanna say, last week, maybe the end of last week, or maybe the beginning of this week. I'm not sure my days are running into each other now. if you have not received a ballot to vote on a onad onap

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Tagline, please let me know. But the voting will stay open until August 29,

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and with that I'm going to assume everyone had received their ballots.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay? And then, is, I didn't see if Shankar was on the call this morning.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Are you here.

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David McBride: II saw a message from him saying he wasn't going to make it

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay.

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Alright, so

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Well, then, I'll just give a very, very brief update. It's not really a tag update per se. There was a special board meeting yesterday for Lf. Networking more of a

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): it was focused on AI

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and Shankar was in attendance. The tag piece of it is that whatever

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): whatever discussions come out of came out of the the Board meeting will kind of be picked up in in the tech, since they are the technical group. So I just wanted to make everyone aware of that. And then if Shankar wants to elaborate next week, he can. He can do so.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): But that's just a brief overview

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): any questions.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, I will add

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): a little bit of color to that.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): The

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): was a a strategy session. Of the board. The tech was invited to it as a guest.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): And we're allowed allowed to participate. So we did have a community input on that. And it's looking at how Lfn

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Kenny PAUL (LFN):  can or should develop an AI strategy.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): Going forward. So it was a really a great meeting. And it's going to be

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): probably driving a lot of

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): conversations going forward, coming out of that.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Yep.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay. And someone asked me a question about the the attendance. You are correct, Cedric. However, I don't think that piece of it is.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): The the question was that the Lfx tool

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): records who's in attendance? That is going to be a feature

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): in the Lfx meeting management tool? However, I don't know that that feature is working as it should right now that functionality. So until

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I have confirmation of that, please highlight yourself. As in attendance.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): But thank you for the the question

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, moving on. Thank you, Kenny. Oh, I was gonna say, and I was gonna add to going back to the

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): such a board meeting yesterday. I think you probably said it. I was a little distracted by reading. It was in chat, Kenny. That is going to be a community effort. And I know at some point

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all the communities Tsc specifically will need to evaluate. You know how they.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): how they can contribute to that.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): just pointing out here the elephant banners were updated

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): on the elephn page to reflect the London release. So those are the links. If you care to take a look, I don't think I have them up. But the London release information is out there, and it's flashing onto Banner, and so I'm happy to say that that is done.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And now we can jump down to release

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): release status. So I don't know who wants to go first, if it's Andreas, do you want to go first? And then David?

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Yeah. So first so you might have seen in the discuss list

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Andreas Geissler (DT): that a couple of companies which are using Istanbul or a Jakarta release. The we have in our labs, also the cone release

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Andreas Geissler (DT): running as they are all using

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Andreas Geissler (DT): the Af component they are now having the problem that

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Andreas Geissler (DT): the certificate management is not working anymore because there is in the Af an expired. Certificate, root certificate existing.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): and which should not have.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): let's say, should not be. Of course it should not be hard coded there, because usually we so our orange did beforehand already the search initializer and search Rapper to overcome this problem. But it is now basically turns out more and less more that it is a chicken act problem. So unless the

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Andreas Geissler (DT): cert daf services are not running

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Andreas Geissler (DT): the search wrapper cannot work in that way. Yeah. So that means somewhere in the

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Andreas Geissler (DT): in the Af service.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): App or port there is an outdated

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Andreas Geissler (DT): is a trust center, basically with an old own up

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Ca, basically certificate. And this out was outdated. Now on the seventeenth of

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Andreas Geissler (DT):  August, yeah.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): I'm I'm was not doing that beforehand, and I tried to check with the server can can, let's say, help me on that, because he also did something beforehand on that. But he's unfortunately also on vacation.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): I'm doing my best to fix that in the in the older releases. But I cannot promise I'm I'm just, let's say, doing try and error here. To to get this running.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): But let's say, this is now showing how how important it was to get rid of Af, because it's not maintained, as you know. Since a couple of years. And these kind of hard codings now affect all the old releases. Yeah. So all the customers which have work with old releases will now

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Andreas Geissler (DT): have a problem. And

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Andreas Geissler (DT): yeah, that's just a

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Andreas Geissler (DT): short status. I'll try to fix that in the next weeks or week, or whatever. Maybe I find today an issue. I'm testing it in our labs. But just for your information, so there will be.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): most likely more complaints coming in the discuss list, and wherever you know. So there is already. For af ticket raised, but as we have don't have any contributors anymore.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): I will meet, or I will try to to get some things from.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I understand we are. We are encouraged upgrade to.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Yeah. But as as we all know, a F was A, it's a very core component in the old releases without that. All these certificates. And ssl, so https connections would not work.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): And everything was based on Af, basically. And now this core component is causing trouble. Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): that's it for my site.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, had a problem getting off mute. There.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Thank you. And Andreas, can you just drop a note cause I couldn't catch it all, so can you drop a note?

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Andreas Geissler (DT): yes, I can do so. Yep, Umhm.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): thank you so much.

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David McBride: David, do you need to share anything, or you? Just no, II can just talk so we had a good discussion at the Ptl. Meeting on Monday about

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David McBride: release process and

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David McBride: II asked the question about whether we're ready to move forward.

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David McBride: with laying out a new schedule for Montreal for the so called marketing release. And beyond said that he thought that we were and then I could go ahead and and you know, do some planning around that

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David McBride: and we had agreed previously that at least initially, we're going to stay with the same milestones and tasks.

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David McBride: So I just wanted to get confirmation from the Tsc. That we're ready for me to lay out a new schedule for Montreal.

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Paweł Pawlak (Incognito): Here's David. I think it's a correct. That's correct. And please proceed.

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David McBride: Okay. all right. Does anyone disagree with that?

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David McBride: There's some chatting there?

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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Byung-Woo Jun: II don't know the we. I think the last time we talk about the we have outline for Montreal for marking leis.

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Byung-Woo Jun: That's fine. The schedule. Wise, big, big picture frame, and then

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Byung-Woo Jun: detail we can adjust. Give them more flexibility to Pto. That's the purpose. But anyway, I I'm okay with the

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Byung-Woo Jun: the, you know outline of the that's fine. But inside, how to adjust we didn't. You know, we used to call milestone. But

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Byung-Woo Jun: that keep flexibility. I'm okay with that.

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David McBride: Okay, anyone else.

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David McBride: If Sandra could we record a pound degree

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David McBride: for that? Please help up.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Yep. let me make sure I'm not typing over. I'll go down. One

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David McBride: is that wording? Okay? Or let me just release planning.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay. okay.

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David McBride: alright, thank you.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): You're welcome.

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Liam Fallon: So sorry. Does that mean, then, that we're back to the

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Liam Fallon: regular M. One, m, 2, MTM, 4.

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David McBride: Yeah, the yeah. That's what I just said that we had we had discussed it previously, that we would, with the same milestones and tasks

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Liam Fallon: was that discussed at the Ptm. Meeting. I missed the first half of it last Monday. Unfortunately.

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David McBride: well, no, it was. It was discussed in a in a previous

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Liam Fallon: but that's fine. We can change that. But that means that we need to defer

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David McBride: scheduling until we work out what the what changes to the milestones and tasks are.

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David McBride: if if that's still an open issue. We need to figure that out before we can lay out a schedule.

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Ish.

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Liam Fallon: I? It's just I wonder how many Ptl's have bought into this?

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Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: we can rediscose this Ptr meeting next Monday.

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Byung-Woo Jun: It's not just, it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's, it's, it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's

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Liam Fallon: at the Ptl. Meeting on Monday. There was. There was only

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Liam Fallon: 2 ptls there. I think that's the problem. Yeah. So I mean, if you don't get buy in for the ptl's, what's the point in running your schedule? You know a lot of milestones and and tasks for people that nobody's.