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00:02:24    Sandra Jackson (LFN):    brb
00:23:35    Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson):    #vote +1
00:23:59    Sandra Jackson (LFN):    #Vote TSC agrees to approve to move forward with release planning for Montreal
00:24:09    Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT):    #vote +1
00:24:10    Timo Perala (Nokia):    #vote +1
00:24:11    Keguang He(China Mobile):    #vote +1
00:24:14    Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson):    #vote +1
00:24:20    Dan Xu:    #vote +1
00:24:43    Martial Ngueko(AT&T):    #vote +1

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Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT): Hello.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Hello, Merrick! How are you?

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Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT): Good!

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Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT): Right after straight back from 3 h went in a bunk. So

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Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT): I'm glad to be back at work.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Hi, Timo.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay. Good morning. Good day. Good evening to everyone.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): We'll go ahead and get started here.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): today's agenda.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Thank you. To everyone who who've already highlighted themselves.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Appreciate it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  today's agenda. We don't have a lot on there today we have I'm gonna briefly talk about the election. It's not a lot to cover on that

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): release.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Have a discussion about the Aa the Aa cert failure.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Some subcommittee updates. That will be Mr. Beong. And then our regular housekeeping.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Do we need? And are there any additions to the agenda or

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Sandra Sandra for the own Ryan. We supposed to have voting today.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, yep, okay, yeah. Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): So hold on. I?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay. So the elections like, I said, is not a lot to cover on that. I will get that ball rolling. Apologies. I did not last week. We it was Thursday, and then Friday I had Pto. And then Monday was a holiday here in the Us.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): So I will try to get that ball rolling

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): between today and early next week.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and then jumping down to

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): release. I know, I think Andreas is still on Pto. But last week, when he discussed that he did talk about

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): that he's pretty much exhausted. Of

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): all his options, and he couldn't figure this out, and he was we were asking for help from the community. If anyone had any ideas on a workaround or fix

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): for the Aa cert. and so I just wanted to bring that up this week to see if anyone came up with any ideas, or

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): from the silence. I'm going to take that as a No. I also reached out to

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): to Cedric to ask if he will reach out to Sylvan, because my understanding is that Sylvan may have some

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): some expertise in this area. He may be more familiar with it. So hopefully we'll hear from that. Hear back soon.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Is that you're going?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I don't see him on. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): bayon, you ready to? Oh, wait first before I move on, David. You don't have you? Don't have anything else, do you? Okay? I just wanted to make sure.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Didn't want to skip over you. Okay, Mayon, take it away, can you? Give me the host

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): coast?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, sure! Hold on for a second. It's easier for me.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Let me find you

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): don't have yet.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Can you find me? Yeah.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, I was steady talking. I was saying. You should be able to share.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Okay, let me talk about. II share the other link. But that's the entire slide deck.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): But in 8, 1314 15, we're talking about the release plan rest of the content already approved by Tse a while ago.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): And this is a new section so we need to get approval after this presentation. I hope

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): so. First, one marketing version for Montreal.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): where we scheduled the previous releases

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): with the following changes, so basically setting release schedule plans for monsieur with only start

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Rc. And sign updates. Only I'm going to explain more detail. and marketing version will be used at the major version by on a project. That's the we agreed.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): And Ptos decide. Minor and Patch versions and based on their project, release cycle and share their project

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): versioning with Tsc and release manager.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): And then basically, provide each project release flexibility and evolution. That's the key to Ptf

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and the integration pairwise testing continue as is, and we define solution level and then end to end

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and to end to end the regression test level. So, and I think that this is similar before. But I'm gonna give more detail. And the second, they're gonna continue schedule scanning for security as before.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and then based on feedback. 30 months ago that we're gonna

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): revised plan. And this is and I shared before some changes. So

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): marking really start. I'll see. Sign update will be set. And by release manager

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): with Tse approval. I already discussed with David.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and each Ptr. Determined their project as a cycle based on their features. So basically, David, that he said, the release starts

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and the release candidate date and sign up

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and based on the process in the between and with the additional discussion with the input from Ptr. The date can be adjusted as needed. So that's the flexibility.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): And then within the that, the timeframe on the Pta will decide the the agile

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): iteration and cycles. And they keep communicating with the the

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): other committee members and including a release manager Tsc. As needed. So they just basically share. So based on the, for example, each year iteration spring tool is reviewed and created by a project team and other committee members as needed.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and this is a way to communicate

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): between them. So this is what we discussed, I think I briefly showed before, and new changes this so we defined the rules.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): in Montreal. So release manager. I talked to David about this role. For Munshio. We put this one

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): based on how it goes. Okay? So for now still is under owner umbrella. So we have a common global requirement and then guidance from second outcome and requirement committee.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and also some other practical other reason from OM. We still

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): control, or the owner project, and Ruth Lee. the the under the owner, umbrella. So

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): So that's why I'm creative

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): this one release manager. They define marketing restart Rc. And sign up plans and working with the Pta collect each project.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): features and enhancement to define marketing, release, feature, and enhancement at the end of day of the Montreal, and we know what feature developed by the each project.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): the ability, and then and deploy is the individual. But the the. We need to know what feature going into this marketing release. So this is why the race manager. They correct information. Okay. But these minutes do not define project development cycle schedule, such as M. One m. 2, M. 3 M. 4. We don't do that any longer.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): but it's up to Kito. They decide speed and scope and features, and but the release manager right the marketing release contents. So at the end of the Rc. And before sign up we write to somebody what's in the Montreal.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and PTR. Is allowed to do. Ptr. And feature owner are working with the project members like commuter commuters and some others, and they define scopes of the project, feature, and enhancement and determine and manage as are cycles based on the project, feature and enhancement.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and write and check in project as our specific specific documentation. Rsd. As this as before.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): So whatever they have changes, they want to put in the documentation, and they have to put Rsd in the particular branch. They will automatically put it into Rtb.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): And Thomas, colleague here, were working on the how to automate folder. But the idea is, Pto still need to put the Rsd.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and also coordinate with the outcome required. Committee and second and oem in Tsc. For feature, announce when the view per agile duration as needed. If they don't think is a very minor on the azure cycle, if you want to skip, and because the most feature will be fixed by the next agile. They can schedule this in their way.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Anyway, this is a way of sharing the project as a cycle process status and results with the release manager and other committees

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and collect input from the outcome. Second, required committee and then other other committee input and for example, global requirement and best practices. They determine when they're gonna apply. But they still get input from those committees

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and may work with the oem integration testing team Doc and for build testing and documentation as needed. So that's for Pta, and they have a more flexible ability, and they have more agile schedule. They can plan

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and archom requirements. Subcommittee. We define architecture and requirement of the marking risk at the beginning and or inject some of the architecture changes if

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): needed, and during the the, you know, the middle of cycle. So we can do that

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and review and then provide the feedback technic or feedback project as a iteration so they can give some we can support. What you know they should do, and then, if they ask some assistant, we can help them, and the before, though, I'll see we write the the Overall project architecture, requirement interface documentation. That's the one we're gonna do.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Second, they define owner security and logging global requirement as before, of the market being released and agile iterations, they can inject it as needed.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and share update with the latest package upgrades, recommendation. And then Ptr will get input from second, and then they decide what to do and when to do

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): the security perspective and write a security and logging requirement documentation. That's the their role we define and oem and supports

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): the onap level. Common scripts build deployment security and nodding configurations. And currently they did. And then, for example, security they already achieved, and then also are building

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Andres and the heat creating the build component individually and deploying individually, so that he is working on that for Montreal and the manager project deployment dependencies and Harlem Charter independencies. So that's already Andrew Andrews already proved, and he will contribute code into the

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): alright one year

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and documentation Thomas, Colleague discussed about that provide own it, marketing, level documentation and new individual project level documentation with the voice and control

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and basically providing own technical and how to use documentation not just for own consumers, but also non on it consumers. Later on, we just tried to link to elephant. That's the one we go.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): So integration provide both solution, ever testing and end-to-end testing for owner project overall

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): qualities, for example, of the solution level.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): If some, I forget based orchestration, they have a collection of the owner component, for example. Ui, so policy Spnc, and A and I those thing if for solution, the particular solution they want to test collect the the older

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): as a regression they can do end-to-end testing and off to Merrick. And we're gonna discuss details. But this is the current rules.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): And Tsc. As a the, you know, the controlling overall and review approved and determine overall on a proposals and directions. Set directions. That's the kind of way defined rules

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): for Montreal, and we are going to revise after Munchio. We want to watch and how things going during the Montreal. And then, if need to fix, we gonna you know, add some enhancements. And also I talked to David about

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): I think he's going to set the stop, which is now

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and then Rc. And sign of date.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): But the if Ptl. They finish everything only, and they have nothing to do here

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and then, and testing is done, and you can adjust as you need an Rc sign, update what we adjusted, and then the Pto. Can start for next release anytime.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): and also from Montreal. We tie marketing

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): number and this major version together. So Manchio is 13. But once this project each project they, you know, handle very well, and then they can handle more autonomously and then they have some pretty good confidence, and we can devise, maybe the

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): release of the the project, maybe. In the future they can imagine themselves. But for now we are still under umbrella and stay under marketing the envelope. So we are going this way. But anyway, so after one show, we're gonna you know.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): But discuss again. okay, that's the input.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): So any question or comment and suggestion, please do so. And I hope that we can finalize today and then get Tse approval.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Okay, back to you, Sandra

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Sandra. Okay, give me to stop sharing, or

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): yes, please. Okay, I do. Okay. Hope we can have some boarding today. So

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay, so with the proposal that they on and others put together.

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I'm going to assume we're ready to vote today to move forward with the release planning from Montreal.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I'm going to take the silence as a yes, so let me drop this into the chat.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Sanders, do you have a quorum to to vote.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I you know what I thought we did. Hold on for a second. Let me double check that.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, we have one. We have what? More than half. Yep.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay. So the chat. The question is in the chat and plus one, if you agree. minus one, if you don't agree, 0 is the same.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Sandra. Did you drop the questions? We haven't seen the chat?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, I did. Oh, you know what? I'm sorry

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I sent it to Pavel. Everyone. Okay, hold on. Let me fix that. Everyone.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): There you go.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): They don't. They only need to vote again. Apologies.

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Okay, give it about 10 more seconds here.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): All right good looks like passed. So I'm going to end the vote.

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Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson): Okay, thank you.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Thank you all for voting

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): alright. So

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): let me fix this.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Thank you. We can move forward with Montreal release planning?

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Not scared.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, anything else before we move into housekeeping

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): items.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): All right. I'm going to take that as there's nothing else

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Jessica Gonzalez: something, Sandra, if you don't mind.

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sure sure go ahead.

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Jessica Gonzalez: So we've been.

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Jessica Gonzalez: as you guys know, we've been working on the migration. Still for Jenkins to Github actions. So thank you for for the people who let me test the Rtd. Work flow.

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Jessica Gonzalez: Thank you so much for for your cooperation. I tested it several times, and it's looking good now. The workflow has been added right now into, the the change to add the workflow into github actions is the, it's created.

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Jessica Gonzalez: I just wanted to let you guys know that. we are in the process of switching today from Jenkins to Github actions. So I just wanted to let you know. And in case there's any

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Jessica Gonzalez: any issues with this. II want to

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Jessica Gonzalez: to get your approval from for disabling Rtd. Verify and merge in Jenkins and have them running for all repos in Github actions. So I just want to know if there's any any issues with that.

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Jessica Gonzalez: So, Jessica, you need the approval of the Tsc. What was it?

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Jessica Gonzalez: Not an actual boat or anything? I just need to know if anybody objects for for us to making this change basically disabling our TV verify and merch in Jenkins and enabling them in Github actions.

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Jessica Gonzalez: If there's no issues, if nobody has any issues with that, then the change will happen to day.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, I think the silence is consensus to to go ahead and make the change.

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Jessica Gonzalez: Okay, sounds good in in case you have any questions just let me know, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thank you. Sandra.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  alright.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  one summit, regional day coming up in Spain september eighteenth.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and then we have a regional date in India. We don't have a date yet information before coming

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): reminder of the face-to-face Dntf. In Budapest, November thirteenth through the seventeenth.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): Hey, Sandra, did someone step up to be the owner representative on the Organizing Committee or the

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): face to face the Ntf.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): No, and thank you for bringing that up, Randy. I was gonna say, last last week we did, was it last week? I think it was we asked. Yeah, for volunteer, and no one has stepped up to my knowledge. So I'm putting the question out there again today.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): To assist with the with the Dmcf planning to participate on the planning committee.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): I see we're a bit light on participation today. Maybe if it's not too much trouble, you can send an email to the Tsc lists and give a chance to people who are not on the call.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay. that works.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): Thanks. You. Wanna shoot a mail, or you want me to do it.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): If you don't mind doing it, it will be safer. I think I might forget.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay. alright.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): more on the face to face. You have your we the topic proposals are there. So if you have any topics, please get those in.

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If I'm remembering correctly last week, Randy. We didn't have a deadline for topic proposals yet. Right?

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): probably set some days, but it's usually something like 3 weeks before diva, and something like that.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, so

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): that's good news, because you still have time to get your topics in and then they convince the

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): convince your boss letter if you need that.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): that is all I have. Do we have any other closing remarks. Pablo or anyone else.

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David McBride: Sandra, did you? Maybe I missed it. But did you skip over the first line under housekeeping

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): regarding the Ptl. Meeting? Sorry, David, we it's not blue. That's why will resume on September eleventh.

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David McBride: Yeah, we we had been on every other week for a while, while.

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David McBride: the Tsc. Was reconsidering the release process

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David McBride: period. But now that we're moving forward on release planning.

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David McBride: I discuss this with beyond, and we both agreed that it would be a good idea to go back to weekly Ptl. Meetings, so those will resume on Monday.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Anything else. Thank you, David.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): All right. Well, with that, you guys get a lot of time back. This may be the quickest one that yet. So have a good day. Good evening, and good night.

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Paweł Pawlak: Thank you. Take care.

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Timo Perala (Nokia): everyone bye, bye.