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00:06:59    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    #info N. K. Shankar, IC
00:15:36    Kenny Paul:    15:00 UTC for D&TF Planning meeting
00:31:40    Timo Perala:    Here's the info about Nephio event Byung mentioned: https://wiki.nephio.org/display/HOME/%28Oct+2023%29+Nephio+R2+Developer+Summit
00:40:35    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    Thanks for the Nephio link Timo
00:40:55    Timo Perala:    np
00:41:28    Byung-Woo Jun:    Timo, thanks for arranging the External community session!
00:48:55    Timo Perala:    Byung, my pleasure
00:49:12    Byung-Woo Jun:    Replying to "Byung, my pleasure"

Thanks again, Timo!

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Sandra Jackson: Hello, everyone.

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Pawel Pawlak: Hello! Good morning, Sandra.

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Sandra Jackson: on the agenda, for today

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Sandra Jackson: we have liaison updates from our very own Taeguan.

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Sandra Jackson: We'll talk about some Tsa Tsc site, Tsa, Tsc activities and deadlines that are coming up. Wait, is this the right one? Yeah. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson:  release management updates.

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Sandra Jackson: Ptl updates in our subcommittee updates. And then our regular housekeeping.

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Sandra Jackson: Is there anything that needs to be added to the agenda? Or is there anyone who has any questions?

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Sandra Jackson: Alright? Well, let's jump into it, then.

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Sandra Jackson: Peguon, do you need to share?

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Sandra Jackson: How is he on? Yeah, yes.

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Keguang He: I will share my screen.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay. you should be able to share.

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Keguang He: Okay, can you? See my slides?

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Sandra Jackson: Yes, you can see your slides.

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Keguang He: Okay. okay, let's let me start. Okay the the

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Keguang He: a 40 third life meeting took place at the end of a

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Keguang He: in September, in Copenhagen. Dynamic

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Keguang He: Azalea is an officer between and onap

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Keguang He: I prepared a presentation.

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Keguang He: How's the progress of onap?

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Keguang He: And is a

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Keguang He: and the vice chair? Of Rafi! Delivered this presentation during meeting additional. My colleagues, having lidden, was present at the conference in person.

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Keguang He: where I participate to the in some of the sessions online.

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Keguang He: So here I would like to provide a view.

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Keguang He: but with a conference to T. Sie.

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Keguang He: And

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Keguang He: and the first the news of the own app London release. I was introduced.

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Keguang He: and next some details about the own app

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Keguang He: release were presented. Including the release.  Cutting their

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Keguang He: release requirements and release architecture.

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Keguang He: a overview of the discussions held during the onap actual meeting regarding interface, the networking

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Keguang He: general models and interfaces that were provided along with at least our summer meeting conclusions.

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Keguang He: and the above information has already been pre presented. At the live meeting.

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Keguang He: and we have not received any further feedback or comments at this time

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Keguang He: and next. I also introduced some of the Nfv. Projects that our team is currently working on first.

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Keguang He: I'd like to introduce the publication of Ets. Free specification on Internet management service interface and the Internet information model.

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Keguang He: These projects.

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Keguang He: rapporteur is Linkedin from China, Mobile and the project describes user keys related to Internet management as supports for the intended management services interface under the intended information model

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Keguang He: in every manual domain.

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Keguang He: and it features a generic modeling that can be reused for applying Internet management in domains other than free and manual domain.

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Keguang He: I don't know. Hsi invites the

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Keguang He: possible collaborations with the plan. I planned the Internet management worker in Stage 3 as a prior over free release firewall.

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Keguang He: and very. During this meeting we also successfully

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Keguang He: initiated. 2 new projects. First, project is about the solution for manual policy model Times. A

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Keguang He: reporter as a work item will analyze some existing data model solutions

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Keguang He: based on the analysis results.

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Keguang He: I referenced. The solutions will be provided for specifying normal data model of a policy descriptors.

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Keguang He: And the second project is about Internet management at Data street automobile and huawei technologies, the France

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Keguang He: we have worked together to complete the this project.

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Keguang He: So what kind of mobile do I to arrest the for

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Keguang He: Protocol and the data model specification for filling the requirements for the Internet management Service interface integrated with a free manual framework.

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Keguang He: And that concludes that brief overview of those free projects.

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Keguang He: if you would like more details about any other projects. Please don't hesitate to get in touch with me.

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Keguang He: and if anyone is interested we welcome your participation in related efforts.

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Keguang He: Okay, that's all for my presentations. Thank you.

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Pawel Pawlak: willing to support and raising hands.

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Keguang He: an apple release and the managerial release.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: No, no, I'm sorry, and the the whole presentation is this.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: this, this report? Do at sea? I'm I'm not up to date. Is this already happen? Or

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: yes, it's already happened. Is it placed at the end of September?

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you, Caitlin.

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Keguang He: Alright! You're welcome. Alright.

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Keguang He: I will end the shame.

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Sandra Jackson: Oh, okay, let me back up a minute. I'm sorry I jumped over the Dntf planning. I wanted to reiterate, or or

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Sandra Jackson: we still have not had anyone

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Sandra Jackson: And if we really need someone to step up and represent own app in the planning committee. If you are concerned about the list, it's not that

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Sandra Jackson: much of it's not a heavy lift. You're basically just there to represent and and make sure that onap gets on this schedule. If there are any presentations or anything like that, so you'll have plenty of help from

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Sandra Jackson: the committee itself. So if anyone would please, just step up and and

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Sandra Jackson: help out with the with the planning committee. We have been dependent on Randy and Timo for a long time. They're getting pulled in other directions.

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Sandra Jackson: this is my plea with the Ol Nap community to we meet every Friday.

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Sandra Jackson: What time? What time?

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Sandra Jackson: 11 am. Eastern time, you know I'm horrible with time conversion. So whatever that is, it's it's 11 Am. Eastern time for me.

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Sandra Jackson: But it's it's again not a heavy lift, and we implore you to one or 2 volunteers, and you can switch it off also. It's not a permanent thing if you want to do it this time, and then when the next Dntf come around, you don't want to do it. Maybe we could switch off. But we need a own app representative.

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Sandra Jackson: So can I get any volunteers?

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Sandra Jackson: You all can hear me right?

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Timo Perala: So maybe I and more time volunteer myself.

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Timo Perala: and that's the that's the last of it.

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Timo Perala: And me in there we don't seem to have

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Timo Perala: a huge flood of topic proposals either. Yet. So I think that's another play for the community that

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Timo Perala: if you do have topics that you want to be discussed in the event. Then you need to go to that web page and put put your topic in, otherwise it will not be there.

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Timo Perala: What I cannot schedule, if it it, if it is not in the in the proposal page.

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know we have a few from our come, and I'm sure I'm gonna walk with Andrews for security changes. So we have some. I would just have not have not put in there yet.

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Timo Perala: Great.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you, Timel. I appreciate that.

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Sandra Jackson:  okay, I know I'm I'm pushing it. But I would like one more because I do know that team will have some other things that are pulling him so just one more person to support him and not Randy.

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Sandra Jackson: So I'll I'm going to keep pushing that point

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Sandra Jackson: we want. We need to represent our community.

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Sandra Jackson: And you guys do an awesome job of ignoring me. But you know I'll keep it. Keep pushing

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Sandra Jackson: all right, moving on. I think I beat that horse enough?

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Sandra Jackson: I don't have something going well with my screen here. Okay, there we go.

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Sandra Jackson: alright moving down to self nominations. So the nominations closed yesterday, was Sandra. We have. We have small issue, because I just talked to Andreas and he forgot to drop. He's

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Andreas Geissler: yeah. I will do that. Yes, sorry I have not II forgot that to do that in the last week. So, but I will do that. Yeah, yeah, sorry.

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Pawel Pawlak: This is what happens if somebody is working so much on the map that, yeah, yeah, I hope, guys, you are all okay that you know, Andrea sends this cell phone nation today. Are there any objections?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, thank you. Guys, thank you. Sandra. Yeah, I think you need to a response to Sandra.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And also you need to fill out the information in the Wiki pages according to

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Andreas Geissler: I'm sorry again.

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Pawel Pawlak: and thank you guys for all the submissions so far. Right? So and thank you for the ones who are, you know. changing their

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Pawel Pawlak: challenges. Right? I understand. Sometimes it's a company decision. Sometimes it's

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Pawel Pawlak: it's a it's a your decision to to work on something else, but

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Pawel Pawlak: really appreciate. I hope, all of us we we do appreciate all, all the

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Pawel Pawlak: you know contributions that that you guys did so far. And

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Pawel Pawlak: yeah, we'll be missing you. But I hope you know, this industry is is relatively small, so we can still meet.

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Pawel Pawlak: at some events. Right?

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Sandra Jackson: I echo what Pabel said. I'm so thank you all for the ones who did self nominate, and who are going to self nominate and those who are moving on.

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Sandra Jackson: thank you for for the time that you put in with onap

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Sandra Jackson: I think some of you are just not doing the the Tsc. But you're still going to participate but own app. So, looking forward to to continuing to work with you

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Sandra Jackson: alright.

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Sandra Jackson: we'll move on to release status. David. Do you need to present anything?

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David McBride: Yes.

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Sandra Jackson: okay, let me stop sharing.

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David McBride: Thanks, Sandra.

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David McBride: Alright? So just taking a quick look at our schedule.

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David McBride: We're coming up on our Rc. Milestone on November ninth.

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David McBride: So I'll start sending out emails to the Ptl's remind them to make sure that they

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David McBride: update the the tracking page.

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David McBride: So far, we haven't had any Updates in terms of the project version to this

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David McBride: page. But this is where we're tracking that. And then, of course, also getting

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David McBride: details to fill in data on new features that we can report out for the release.

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David McBride: and looks like our friends at

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David McBride: LOM. Project have started doing that so good for you. Thanks for doing that.

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David McBride: Let's see nothing else.

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David McBride: I guess that's that's basically it would.

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David McBride: The Rc milestone is coming up is that

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David McBride: guess that's 5 weeks from today.

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David McBride: So that's it for me, Sandra. unless there are any questions.

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Sandra Jackson: All right. Thank you, David.

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Sandra Jackson: I don't think we have any relunge updates. I'll check if anyone's on on here what we're lunge. But this this

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Sandra Jackson:  link that's here. Last week there was a link to the dashboard, and and no one can open it. So jessica was so kind to provide this link for me yesterday, if if you wanted to just track tickets and see what was still open. This is the link that that you can use.

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Sandra Jackson: Is Jessica or anyone from Roland, John.

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Sandra Jackson: and I'll see him.

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Kevin Sandi: Yeah. Hi, this is Kevin

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Sandra Jackson: Kevin. I didn't say, Hi.

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Sandra Jackson: there! There are no further Update. Do you have any updates? Let me stop saying there's no further updates.

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Kevin Sandi: No, we don't have any other updates.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: yes. I just wanted to share this link with you all. Because apparently folks have problems opening up the dashboard last week.

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Pawel Pawlak: So maybe just to conclude this week, both Matt and Marek, they hit meeting. They they had some meetings planned for Tuesday, if I'm not wrong.

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Pawel Pawlak: And then Matt went for some holidays, right? So

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Pawel Pawlak: I guess the the next week or week after we have continuation of those efforts. With not support.

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Pawel Pawlak: So we keep you posted on on this particular item. That's that's we have under.

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Pawel Pawlak: It's one of those giraffes here.

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David McBride: By by the way, we're using that dashboard as a a basis for a recurring agenda. Item at the Ptl. Meeting on Mondays where we go through and review those tickets in depth. And

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David McBride: Matt put together that dashboard for us couple of weeks ago, and we we started with that agenda item on on Monday, and

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David McBride: and we probably spent a good 2025 min on it, I think and so I think the idea going forward is that we will do an in depth review at the Ptl. Meeting, going into the details. And then

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David McBride: maybe in the Tsc meeting it will be more of just a quick

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David McBride: summary. But if you're really interested in any particular rel inch, it issues. Recommend coming to the Ptl. Meeting on on Mondays, because that's where we really dig into the details.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you for that.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright nice segue. Now we're going on to the Ptl. Updates.

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Andreas Geissler: Right? Certificate issue.

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Andreas Geissler: we discussed this on Monday shortly and on Wednesday in the

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Andreas Geissler: shortly as well in the OM. Meeting. So we have a half of the this patch, basically out. And I requested from the users or the ones which are, let's say, reported the error.

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Andreas Geissler: That they check whether it is sufficient for them. Knowing that there are still

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Byung-Woo Jun: by Om and andress, we're gonna continue. But we are interested in cube for network function on boarding and security. So that's why once we get the same mechanism like nephew and owner network function on boarding. That could be nice. Cause we are interested in how to secure a network function. Okay, that's back to you, Sandra.

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David McBride: Just a quick note about Kubar. We have one or 2 members of that team that routinely join the 5G. Super blueprint meetings.

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David McBride: and so we could probably arrange kind of a side bar at the meeting if you had, you know questions or wanted to say anything to them or reach out to them.

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Sandra Jackson: we'll just keep reminding. Just so folks are aware, and then I'll be out the end of October into November. and then our one summit regional day is coming up in India November thirtieth, and I forgot to see if we had a

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Sandra Jackson: I'll check to see if we have any registration information or anything like that. But it's coming up November thirtieth.

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Sandra Jackson:  so keep that on your radar, and then we have our face to face. Dntf coming up in Budapest, Hungary, November thirteenth, through the sixteenth. Yay.

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Sandra Jackson: and then the ballots will go out shortly in the next day or 2 for us to vote our new Tsc. In.

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Kenny Paul:  the follow, the standard mentorship guidelines on that.

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Kenny Paul: The next opportunity for that will be the spring for us to bring in some folks, and we would need a

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Kenny Paul: we need members of the community that are willing to act as the mentors for any of the Mentees that would become amendment.

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Kenny Paul: We do have. Well, that'll be part of the 2,024 budget.

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Kenny Paul:  the current session is in place, so we can't take advantage of that.

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Kenny Paul: But there are generally 3 mentorship sessions per year.

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Kenny Paul: so absolutely a possibility. And from my perspective, it sounds like it would be relevant and much needed work

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Kenny Paul: for that. So what we would need is is basically

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Kenny Paul:  filled out? And then I can work with casey Kane, who's the

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Pawel Pawlak: Okay? So I will have a discussion. And one of the next sitcoms to.

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Pawel Pawlak: So

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Pawel Pawlak: maybe you know, provide you some

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Pawel Pawlak: proposal for the job, description and deliverables right.

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Kenny Paul: okay, thank you, good. Yeah, and sorry for

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Kenny Paul: my lack of presence around here, but I am now responsible for nefo, and that

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Kenny Paul: So my apologies for not being around and being a little.

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Kenny Paul: It's slow on my and slower on my responses than usual. So

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Kenny Paul: appreciate everyone's patience.

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Pawel Pawlak: No problem.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you.

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Pawel Pawlak: I have a I have a question, because last week there was some governance board presentation exactly at the same time as we had the Tsc.

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Pawel Pawlak: So would it be possible in the future to have not overlapping meetings, because if some of the Tsc members would like to join also, the other meetings would have some difficulty.

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Pawel Pawlak: I'm pretty sure that it is possible to find some slots that would not, you know. overlap with the Projects meetings

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Kenny Paul: the anything that is a governing board meeting is set by the governing board, and it's based upon their availability

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Kenny Paul: primarily. So that's

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Kenny Paul: that's the driver for that.

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Pawel Pawlak: Is there any recording available from this meeting? Because maybe the Thec members would be interested in having this marketing takeaways, and you know

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Kenny Paul: the the

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Kenny Paul: could be for that one. I can take a look and see what I can find, but I'm pretty sure there was.

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Kenny Paul:  let me look into that.

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Pawel Pawlak: Okay, if possible. Please drop drop an email with the link to the Tsc team. So

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Pawel Pawlak: maybe some some of us would be interested in.

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Pawel Pawlak: Thank you for the Q. 3 update.

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Kenny Paul: Okay?

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. Well, thank you. Everyone for attending today.

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Sandra Jackson: We'll meet you here again same time. Same place next week.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Have a good one.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. right?

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Kamel Idir: Thank you. Bye, bye.

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Pawel Pawlak: thank you guys. Bye, bye!

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Sandra Jackson: Oh, on Timo, thank you for stepping up.

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Timo Perala: Worries

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Sandra Jackson: have a good one.

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Timo Perala: I mean.