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00:10:01    Chaker Al-Hakim:    #info Chaker Al-Hakim, IC
00:10:54    Sandra Jackson (LFN):    #VOTE Does the TSC approve of the Montreal release schedule as shown on v. 7 of the Montreal planning page?
00:10:56    Byung-Woo Jun:    #vote +1
00:11:06    Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT):    #vote +1
00:11:06    Pawel Pawlak (Incognito):    #vote +1
00:11:07    Keguang He(China Mobile):    #vote +1
00:11:13    Timo Perala (Nokia):    #vote +1
00:11:14    Ram Krishna Verma, Bell Canada:    #vote +1
00:11:33    Sandra Jackson (LFN):    #End
00:12:02    Seshu Kumar (SaiSeshu):    #info Seshu, windriver
00:21:10    Pawel Pawlak (Incognito):    Option B is my preference too!
00:21:44    Byung-Woo Jun:    Option B

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): The recording.

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David McBride: Okay?

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David McBride: So

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David McBride: as I think, everyone remembers, we approved the new release process last week. And I put together a

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David McBride: a new schedule following the guidelines that B. Young had provided.

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David McBride: I shared with that with young and he thought it looked fine, and I shared it on the Ptl. Meeting on Monday, and there were no objections.

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David McBride: So I wanted to share with the Tsc. And then, hopefully, get a vote on it

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David McBride: so as you can see, it's a lot less busy than our

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David McBride: schedules in the past. So I kept in upcoming events and international holidays.

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David McBride: and I kept the kickoff day that we originally approved back in May. And then I added the the 2 milestones that beyond had suggested, which is the release candidate

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David McBride: and sign off

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David McBride: any bots or questions about this schedule

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David McBride: comments.

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David McBride: love it, hate it.

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David McBride: Good for me. I already knew that.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah.

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David McBride: Okay.

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David McBride: Pavel.

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David McBride: what do you think? Should we go ahead with a vote on this. Then

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): we used to do some voting crate on on his schedule. So

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): do we have a quorum.

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David McBride: Sandra, do we have quorum?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, no, let me check it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  no, it doesn't look like we. We only have

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): not yet not quite.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Ralph. RAM is here. Hi, RAM,

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): unless someone can highlight themselves. Hold on

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Byung-Woo Jun: 6 people we have. Now.

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Byung-Woo Jun: what's the quorum? Number

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: 7. Sha we do. Chaka Chakra joined. So

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Chaker Al-Hakim: I forgot to.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: I'm doing for you. Just

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): so we're good to go.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: Okay?

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David McBride: So I did include some

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David McBride: vote

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David McBride: some boat text here. some suggested vote text.

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David McBride: if that looks okay, then Sandra, could you drop it into the chat?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Sure.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Give me a second.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Make sure it's going to everyone this time.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, it's there.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): plus one, if you agree. minus one. If you disagree.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, we are good. Let me double check it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): yes. So I'm going to end the vote. Thank you. All.

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David McBride: Okay. Great. Thank you.

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David McBride: The the other thing I wanted to bring up is just. I wanted to put a question to the the Tsc

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David McBride: and that is you know, in the we have this

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David McBride: running topic for the Tsc meeting of release status. And in the past. You know I've used that to talk about. You know where we are. With regard to the you know, milestones, etc.

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David McBride:  which are. You know, we're defined by completion of tasks and integration status and things like that.

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David McBride: But at this point, like, if we, if we look at this schedule you could see we have this

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David McBride: time, you know the stretch of time between. Kick off and release candidate and

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David McBride: so I'm a little add a little bit of a loss as to you. Know what what information I present. Or what criteria we should use to share. Release status

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David McBride: and then this kind of goes to visibility and transparency as well. You know, part of the goal of the release process is to

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David McBride: make the status of the release.

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David McBride:  transparent to to the Tsc. And to the broader community. So

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David McBride: so my question to the Tsc. Is, what? What would you like to see in terms of release status for this running topic that we have in the Tsc. Meeting?

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Good question. maybe 2

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): well, based on the the model that we presented. I guess we it will be good to know if some projects are running, some sub releases

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): right? If everyone is running. You know, marketing, J. General release, or there are some sub releases.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): I think, that we talked briefly. Ptl. The

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Byung-Woo Jun: for release content, wise. And you know, for example.

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Byung-Woo Jun: David suggested. Maybe we have, you know, I guess current form the on table.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Then Pto, whenever they set, there is a the cycle. Then they just report which feature and what's the status they put in to table? Then, using looking at the table, they know what's going on. So if the project have a one life cycle of the as I, then they represent one. But if they're multiple, then they just keep fill up

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Byung-Woo Jun: information into the the release the like. You can call status whatever, so that well, we fill up as as goes right. Then

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Byung-Woo Jun: then automatically collecting all the information. So we just put table per project and then leave empty. And then Pto, whenever they have the information there they fill up, and then by looking at that table, we can see the snapshot. That's that's my view.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then, after after Rc. And then Dave knows what exactly

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Byung-Woo Jun: feature enhancement going into the Montfield. So that means that will be the foundation for marketing release. Content there.

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David McBride: Okay, so if I put together a table that showed like the

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David McBride: a list of

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David McBride: And then.

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David McBride: like current current version, or something like that. And then the projects could go in and fill in what the the current version is that they're working on

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Byung-Woo Jun: right. They can. The, you know, kind of. We can see the history save a 3, 3 cycle. Then put the 1, 2, 3, so they can. They can. You know the Philip. And then, yeah, I think that there's the mostly accurate and all

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Byung-Woo Jun: I

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Byung-Woo Jun: send the email to us and invite. And then maybe someone else selects. And if there's no Pto or some project without Pto, then we put the general information. And so we gonna walk to the way. But mostly Pto

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Byung-Woo Jun: should this should be responsible, as we explained last week. Ktl should respond to 4.

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Byung-Woo Jun: What's going on there? Okay, so we know that. So either

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Byung-Woo Jun: communicate through email? Or do I think that this table should be effective to me?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Once you have template, David? Then we can. You can publish template, and they can fill up. Okay, that's my

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David McBride: alright. I'll I'll put something like that together. I'm taking some time off, so I won't be in the meeting next week. But I'll I'll present something to the Tsc. In 2 weeks.

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David McBride: Sounds good to me. Okay.

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David McBride: alright. Great. Thank you for your feedback any other comments.

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David McBride: Thoughts?

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David McBride: Okay, that's it for me, Sandra

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Sandra, are you muted?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, I'm muted. That's what you were telling me. Thank you. I was saying, I'm gonna back up here for a second, because II thought I didn't have the the own app

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): the Logos, the first pass of it. So let's review this. And just as a quick reminder, if you're in the meeting, remember to highlight yourself is green, and if you are having an issue with it. Please let me know. But I wanted to share

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Let me see if I can share it. Hold on, is it? Gonna oh, hold on, wait! Let me do this.

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Pano Xinos: I can share my screen if you want. Sandra.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I think it's going. Is that it? There it is. Thanks, piano. So this is the first pass at the

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): onap new logo to include the tag line.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Remember, this is about giving you the option to have the with the rebranding and and making sure that our

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): own that proper name

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has a logo with the tagline. So any feedback we're happy to hear.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): But I wanted to share this with with the Tsc

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): panel. You have anything to add about it.

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Pano Xinos: Not a whole lot, I mean? We tried to keep, look and feel as much as possible. It's not a full rebrand, obviously. But I did wanna have options that had the tagline in them. My personal preference is for one of the top 2, I think. Can you scroll down just to concept to you? Real quick? Yeah. So it concept, yeah, I found was it was

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Pano Xinos: too much at the bottom, at any rate. Whereas one and 2 gave the own app the

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Pano Xinos: I think the the biggest real estate, at any rate.

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Pano Xinos: And we had the option of color black on white and white on black as well.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: Hmm.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: that's very good. I do agree. I think

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Chaker Al-Hakim: my preference would be either A or B,

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Chaker Al-Hakim: so the the difference there is the italicization of.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: I think B looks.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: Maybe I'm nitpicking right now, but I think concept B looks more modern. Maybe.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Do you keep the font is

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Chaker Al-Hakim: what's clean or neat?

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Chaker Al-Hakim: It looks. It looks very easy on the eyes. Let's put it this way.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: But this is it. You did. Nice job. II like it, Lot. I like them all, but my preference would be, or if I were to vote, I would vote for B

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Byung-Woo Jun: same here.

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Pano Xinos: Anybody else have any strong feelings.

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David McBride: Apano. Just so I understand. So like, concept.

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David McBride: B, all all 3 of the images shown would be used in different contexts. Is that right?

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Pano Xinos: Yeah. Yeah. And then, I mean, we have the. We have the option of using the just, the just, the own app logo as well without the tagline that already exists. So what I had done was, I asked creative services to come up with something that incorporated the tagline into it, and this is what it came up with, so

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Pano Xinos: typically, like on the website, we would use the the color one for example, the other 2 could be used in various other contexts depending on color schemes.

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David McBride: Yeah, I can see. Like, if you had a like a white paper or something that was just printed in in black and white.

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David McBride: one of the

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David McBride: the other 2 non color ones. The black and white ones would be good for something like that.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And and this is pretty standard where you have the colored logo and the the black and white option, as well as as far as I've seen across when it comes to locals for the Linux Foundation.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: Yep.

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Pano Xinos: yeah. Lfn has the exactly the same. Basically, we have a color black on white and white, on black

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Umhm. And in chat we're getting a lot of option. Bs. so folks are

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): preferring the second option.

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Pano Xinos: Okay.

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Pano Xinos: alright. Any any dissenting voices?

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Chaker Al-Hakim: Is there anyone who absolutely hates it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay.

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Chaker Al-Hakim: alright, I guess. Be it is. Then

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Pano Xinos: sounds good. I will let them know that we're gonna go with B and ask them to finalize that, and soon as that's done I'll send them over

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): alright. Thank you, Panel, and thank you all for your patience, and let me back up on the agenda a little bit.

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Pano Xinos: Thank you. Everyone.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, moving on.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I don't want to skip over the relunge people, is it? Or do we have any updates for the lunge.

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Matt Watkins (LF): Sandra. Hi! I'm just trying to wrap my brains.

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Matt Watkins (LF): I don't think so at this moment in time. No, it doesn't sound particularly new this week, so feel free to continue

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): alright. No worries then.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Alright. So then we'll jump down to subcommittee updates, and they all. Do you need to share anything? No, no, no, it's a quick update. So the outcome, we are brainstorming on a component project modularity. We have some majority, we try to more formalize it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: to facilitate own app component function and even sub components, because some communities they want particular subcomponent interested for their use cases in case that we try to. You know, you know the study.

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Byung-Woo Jun: What's the better way to handle. And since you already achieved some of the modularity in this. So that's good thing. And we try to generalize. And some concept for modularity. That's a brainstorming. How come, and that's that's all.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh, Pablo.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Pablo, if you're speaking, you're on mute.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Yeah. I was speaking to mute so few updates from Seccom. First we had this week chat with Marek.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): And we are discussing the options to

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): so we will not follow any more. The the idea of you know, getting.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): you know, removing the the apparent because it's it consists it. It has a multiple valuable informations. So this is the first point. The second one is that

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): hmm. we

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): would like to request to. So to to Tsc to get resources for the update for the key core components without Pts. To give you example, this is Dcae.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): and I know if in order to execute on the recommended packages. Upgrades.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito):  so this is something

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): we are requesting for.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): And the third third item is that we raise the point at the Pts call.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): We are looking for a volunteering friendly project to work with us on the next next interesting

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): topic which is signing containers so far we have not received an an

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito):  request to to work on this, but just to let you know, guys, that

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): we believe it, it would be worth to increase security of on up

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): containers by signing them. And yeah, I hope we could progress with it

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): with some, maybe POC. Or you know

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): one project

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): able to sign, and and then to propagate it to all the other projects for the next releases

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): any questions.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay? And I guess if anyone is interested in helping with Pablo's request, please reach out to him.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Okay, so this is for container assign, but for the request to get some resources.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Have you ever had this kind of request before?

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): How we can handle it as TSC.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): And the and the thoughts and the suggestions. Guides.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I was. Gonna say, make sure you're on off on mute

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Sandra. Could we consult it with Kenny? Maybe on, you know. if this this request could be somehow pro processed with the TS. And

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): with Lapham.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, yep.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): cause maybe it's like first time that that this kind of request is raised and we don't know the process how to

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): process, how to work with it. But

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): let's try to have some brain storming on this, and you know.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): see what what options will be.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): thank you.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright. Well, then, that is wrapping it up for us. Let me go to some housekeeping here. The Pto meeting for September. Is it the 20 fifth day that

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): twenty-fifth is cancelled? So no Ptl. Meeting.

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David McBride: Yeah. Check the the the top line there, too, Sandra.

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David McBride: Oh, that the PTLR. Meetings resumed this past Monday. So the next meeting is September eighteenth, right? And then the one after that, on the 20 fifth is canceled.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, I got it mixed up. I thought you said you were gonna be out next week.

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David McBride: II am. But I'm going to I'm not leaving until after the Ptl. Meeting on Monday morning.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, gotcha. Okay, alright. So yep. Ptl. Meetings are resumed. Next one is on the eighteenth, and the one on the twenty-fifth is canceled.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And then, remember our regional once I'm at regional days coming up in Spain.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): September eighteenth, China, September 20 sixth, and now we have a date for India, which is November thirtieth.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and then again our face to face. Dntf, that's going to take place November thirteenth, through the seventeenth in Budapest. So if you have not registered, please do so.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and topic proposals R. Open.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and if you are part of the you know what speaking of that, the the planning committee, no one ever responded to help to represent onap

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): timo and and Randy usually represent onap, but they have some other priorities pulling them away. So

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): we're asking someone from the onap community to step up and and help out this time.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): if you're interested, please shoot at me now to the Tse mailing list.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and also a reminder that the email for nominations went out yesterday. So please, if you are interested in holding a seat on the Tse

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): again to nominate, to go self-nominate. And the instructions are detailed in the email. any questions or last comments?

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Seshu Kumar (SaiSeshu): Alright. Well, with that I'll let everyone go. Have a wonderful day, Sandra. Sorry I was well muted. One question. So you're saying November thirtieth, thirtieth is when we'll have us here. The India ons right

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Seshu Kumar (SaiSeshu): November thirtieth is when we will actually have the onas in India. The Regional Conference in India will be November thirtieth. Right?

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Seshu Kumar (SaiSeshu): thirtieth of November, isn't it? Yeah, right? So do we have Cfp for that, I mean, do you? Do we have any plan for Cfp? When will the Cfp pick closing call for papers? I mean.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): we don't have that information yet. The information is forthcoming. They're still working out the details right now. We just have the date

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David McBride: we know that it'll be hosted by info. Sis, also.

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Seshu Kumar (SaiSeshu): Okay, sure. Thanks.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Anything else. Thank you. Sishu.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Alright. Well, everyone have a good day. Evening night. And Sandra just a teaser, maybe next week or the week after one we'll present the Nfv.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito):  the paper.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Hmm.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): on the collaboration right? So stay tuned. We expect to have some some ablate from from Kiguine. Maybe when you want to share just few few words as a teacher.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): hey? Yeah. because next next week And will well hold meetings.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): and I also. prepare presentation.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): I I'll prepare a contribution in our meeting to introduce the the London release and the material release plan

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Keguang He(China Mobile): And I think next next next week's next meeting.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): and maybe maybe we, I can collect some information feedback from halfway.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): And maybe as a week after. Halfway meeting.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): okay.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): a propeller option in labs meeting to show their opinions about

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Keguang He(China Mobile): own app

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Keguang He(China Mobile): and that's all.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Okay, thank you. Keguan, it's important to share

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): those updates with with other sdos, right, so

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): it's a.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): it's important to to make those b direction. B direction communication. So yeah. thank you very much.

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Keguang He(China Mobile): You're welcome. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): thank you, Kegan. Thank you, Pavel.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Anything else

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): going once going twice.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Let's give the folks, those folks, you know, 28 min to their agenda.

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Pawel Pawlak (Incognito): Everyone is busy, so alright. Well, everyone have a good one. We'll see you again.

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Toine Siebelink (EST): Thank you. Thanks, Mike.