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00:06:44    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    #info, N. K. Shankar, IC
00:11:19    Toine SIEBELINK (EST):    sorry I missed the start of the meeting. Time permitting can we have a quick chat about the use of Zoom for ONAP Project meetings. LastPass doesn't seem to work anymore for me/ONAP4) I got a mail in December with new password and code but I cannot login. Only the 'Claim Host' option still works for me...
00:12:59    Paweł Pawlak:    Sure Toine
00:14:49    Toine SIEBELINK (EST):    Reacted to "Sure Toine" with
00:14:54    Sandra Jackson:    #Vote TSC agrees to proposed release planning schedule for New Delhi?
00:14:57    Byung-Woo Jun:    #vote +1
00:14:58    Andreas GEISSLER (DT):    #vote +1
00:15:02    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    #vote +1
00:15:04    Paweł Pawlak:    #vote +1
00:15:05    Dong Wang (China Telecom):    #vote +1
00:16:35    Sandra Jackson:    #End
00:39:02    Toine SIEBELINK (EST):    BRB
00:43:39    Sandra Jackson:    #Vote: TSC agrees to remove the requirements committee and combine with ARCCOM
00:43:40    Byung-Woo Jun:    #vote +1
00:43:42    Andreas GEISSLER (DT):    #vote +1
00:43:55    Dan Timoney (AT&T):    #vote +1
00:43:56    Dong Wang (China Telecom):    #vote +1
00:44:03    Paweł Pawlak:    #vote +1
00:44:16    Sandra Jackson:    #End
00:44:40    N.K. Shankaranarayanan:    #vote +1
00:46:46    Andreas GEISSLER (DT):    https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/ONAP+Helm+chart+dependencies
00:46:50    Toine SIEBELINK (EST):    back

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Sandra Jackson: Good morning. Happy New Year, Dan.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I can hear you, Sandra.

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Byung-Woo Jun: How are you doing?

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Sandra Jackson: I'm well, how are you?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Good. Good.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. Enjoy your holiday break. Did you have a holiday break? Yes, I did, December.

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Byung-Woo Jun: But I participate. Tsc, but actually, I'm almost off December.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yep.

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Sandra Jackson: okay, give it some time here.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, I think we can go ahead and get started here.

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Sandra Jackson: just some are regular reminders up on the board. Actually, I'm gonna change this slide because it no longer needs you to do the hashtag

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Sandra Jackson: pound. You're here because, the Pcc. Seems to be functional and picking up attendance. So I'll need to update that. But our regular reminders that the meeting is being recorded

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Sandra Jackson: alright jumping into it. Happy New Year! Welcome back, everyone. I hope everyone is refreshing.

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Sandra Jackson: Have some time to

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Sandra Jackson: has some downtime to just really collect to collect yourselves and

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Sandra Jackson: and rest.

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Sandra Jackson: I only have one reminder. Right now we have the Governing Board meeting

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Sandra Jackson: coming up on January sixteenth, I believe Kenny sent out an email

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Sandra Jackson: the beginning of January asking for inputs. But I dropped the template in here in case. So if we can get that to them. Get back to him as soon as possible. The project. Review just anything in the second half of 2023 that you want the governing board to be aware of?

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Sandra Jackson:  so that? And then the project review is January sixteenth.

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Sandra Jackson: So that is all that I have.

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Sandra Jackson: Can we any questions about that?

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Sandra Jackson: Okay. so can we move down to the lease and I'll hand it over to Pablo.

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Byung-Woo Jun: How are you on, mute? Let me try to start them until Pablo comes back.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So this one David used to set up the release plan, and he put for the new Delhi. but since he left, so we need to.

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Byung-Woo Jun: But he proposed it, but it was not approved by TSC.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So we need to

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Byung-Woo Jun: discuss and then review and update the date and then approve as needed. That's the plan power.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So. At the last Pdl score.

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Paweł Pawlak: you know. we we have, as we have no release manager, so there was nobody who puts lead the meeting. But this is for some others of people need to address whether we want to

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Paweł Pawlak: keep the Ptr scroll

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Paweł Pawlak: or being part of the CFC,

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Paweł Pawlak: yes.

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Byung-Woo Jun: yeah. And that's the next call next will Pt Update same same story, but

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Byung-Woo Jun: but new daily is already started unofficially, because a couple of the

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Byung-Woo Jun: architecture review or requirement, if you already don't. So that means

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Byung-Woo Jun:  Can you click the Sand Sandra? Can you click the new daily release planning the link

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Byung-Woo Jun: there? I mean the debt. Same

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Sandra Jackson: sure. Hold on. Something's in my way. I'm trying to get it out.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then how we're going to add this view.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, this is what David Mcbride put that before he left.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So this is the new daily, and then starting November 30, and then first content.

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Byung-Woo Jun: The letter is the release candidate. So may 16, and then sign up is June sixth. That's the current schedule. And then, as we agreed during the Montreal, we don't have any. M. One M. 2, M. 3, m. 4. We simplify, based on the onet streamlining.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So each Pto. They have the power to process their project development in azure way. So this is schedule. And then we need to review. And then we need to.

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Byung-Woo Jun: What do you think? And Pablo back to you.

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Paweł Pawlak: yeah, definitely. Especially, okay, we have.

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Paweł Pawlak: we have. Okay, we are now mid of January, right? Umhm. So the looking at what's here and we have no specific.

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Paweł Pawlak:  I'm trying to figure out.

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Paweł Pawlak: because this is Montreal sign off New Delhi. Okay, Kickoff was

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Paweł Pawlak: the November thirtieth. Right? Was it? Was it really the thirtieth

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Byung-Woo Jun: ye? Yeah. So so he stay. And because architecture committee already got review of the requirement, China telecom China mobile. So we put that. And then

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Byung-Woo Jun: so within that gap November 30, and may 16.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And we you know, Pto, they

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Byung-Woo Jun: whenever they have the new you know. Item to add in, and they can contact Ourcom and other Co, you know, subcommittees and Tsc, and then they what they gonna do so and then add in to

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Byung-Woo Jun: release content the Wiki page. II don't think we create for new daily, but I look at the

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Byung-Woo Jun: Davis under these content letter from Montreal, and then probably copy and then create Wikipedia. And so Pto can start filling up the information. Yeah, I can do that if you want, if you want.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes, if you could be great. Thank you. Being for this proposal.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay.

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Paweł Pawlak: yeah. At the second site, we will also produce the Wikis for the new Delhi right. If somebody has no access from Gp. Else please submit the ticket

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Paweł Pawlak: to to get access to the restricted wiggy where we put the vunabities per project.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: okay, so do we need to vote officially on on those dates

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Paweł Pawlak: as of today

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Paweł Pawlak: in the in the comments on this.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think we can vote cause we use the board for this.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So I think we have a quorum today.

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Byung-Woo Jun: 5 people.

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Paweł Pawlak: no quorum. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: no, no, we have coral. I think we have. Okay, yeah. Cause the NK. Andrew is is, yes, he's connected. Yeah, yeah. So I think that we are cool.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And I'm here.

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Sandra Jackson: So you're gonna put the language and chat.

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Paweł Pawlak: If we have a call room, let's do the vote right. It's important to have the community good visibility on the start and end date

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Paweł Pawlak: of the

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Paweł Pawlak: of the release and and efforts. Time.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think the for your already mind. The last time we mentioned will only have streamlining. This is initial on date and based on the the Pto. And then progress. So this Rc. Date can be changed and sign up. They can be changed. That's the way our agreement. So David. Therefore, once you're here, just to Rc, and then sign up so. And anyway, so for today. This is a date.

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Sandra Jackson: So tfc, it hold on.

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Sandra Jackson: What's the language? Tse agrees to

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Byung-Woo Jun: release planning for new Delhi, maybe

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Sandra Jackson: to propose release planning

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Sandra Jackson: release planning schedule.

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Sandra Jackson: Is that right? Let me put that in.

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Sandra Jackson: Let me put it so you could see. Hold on so you can.

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Sandra Jackson: so you can see

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Sandra Jackson: it will help if I edit.

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Sandra Jackson: Do you dare to be dirty

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Sandra Jackson: for? Oh, sorry

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Sandra Jackson: release. Let me schedule. Sorry for new daily.

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Sandra Jackson: Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yep, I think.

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Sandra Jackson: okay, so I will drop that in chat.

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Sandra Jackson: and the vote is open.

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Paweł Pawlak: I think it would be good to to have some short summary at the beginning of the release, right? When we start working on the release on what we expect to deliver.

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Paweł Pawlak: And then by end of the release checking okay, what we deliver it.

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Paweł Pawlak: Hmm! I guess this. This is part of the architectural subcommittee where you collect the requirements for the release. Right? Yes, that's my job to us. That's what I'm trying to create a Wikipage copying the David Mcbride

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Byung-Woo Jun: as a release content under, you know, content. So I'm going to put the Arctic just subcommittee. On what feature, and also Pto can add the feature they are going in going into under new dally, then around the Rc. Date that we know.

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Byung-Woo Jun: we see the Wiki page, and we see the older collected features. And so we can create the lease content and also time to time we look at the Wiki pages, and we know

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Byung-Woo Jun: which feature are going to be in

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Byung-Woo Jun: new daily. So that's that's my view. But anyway, so first of all, I'm going to before before Monday. I'm going to create the dead page.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then we can next week, and we can start

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Byung-Woo Jun: filling up the contents for new daily.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, it's also valuable. Yeah, yeah, sure.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes, Sandra.

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Sandra Jackson: sorry. Okay, carry on.

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Paweł Pawlak: This is also valuable. When I produce some. You know marketing materials, summary for the release, and so on. So worry where

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Paweł Pawlak: all this information is stored so easy, accessible for everyone. Right?

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Byung-Woo Jun: We can change it format as needed. But I just for now I could. I'm gonna copy as this and change the the release. But since you gonna provide your your

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know. Stop. So maybe we can. Change to. you know. Content format, whatever we need.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: okay.

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Sandra Jackson: any other. Nothing else further with it with the new Delhi release.

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Sandra Jackson: So they will move on to Ptl. Updates.

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Paweł Pawlak: I've seen twan make a comment. So twan

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Paweł Pawlak: would you like to to share some.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Yeah, this falls on the desk. That's great. Thanks Pavel. It's just now I realize I haven't been. I've missed a few meetings over the the holiday period just before Christmas. There was a mail sent about, if you own up.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): So zoom accounts being deleted, I think

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): open up, for the one I'm using is is one of the ones being kept. Now the mail said something about the password changing now. I never had access to the password before I use last pass.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Which kind of kind of worked sometimes with a bit of a few extra clicks, I was able to log in using Last Pass. But now this year I had my first meeting, and I was trying to use the the owner for account, and it it didn't work for me. Also the password I was in the mail didn't work, so last Pass didn't work for me.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): The password was in the mail didn't work I actually eventually got blocked out while there was a half-hour block. So I presume that was released. I was able to join the meeting as somebody else, and then claimed the host, using the new PIN code that was in the mail. So yeah, I'm basically asking, is, is there a change that I'm not aware of, or other people having issues, or is there? Is there a more serious problem?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Did you get the email from Kenny Paul? I think he sent the email the new zoom, that's the mail, and that mail had a new password and a new PIN code. But that password didn't work for me.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then also, he sent separate email for a host key to yeah, the host, the host, Id. I did use that for

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): applying to get to be the host also in my own meeting.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): So using that and querying for the host and then using this

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): this pass code with the the host, the zoom host. Id

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): that that worked for me at least. Yeah. Yeah. Same for me, Andrea. I could do that, but that means we can't cancel reschedule meetings or anything like that.

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Paweł Pawlak: Stop working. And

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Paweł Pawlak: yeah, it was never the best tool for for me. It worked up to that mail that we got at Christmas, so up to then I was able to use Last pass as I said, sometimes a bit tricky, but I used to be able to get in, but since that mail I haven't been able to log in

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): either with last pass or with that password that was in the mail.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I don't know who's handling the last pass, but start working full outcome. So that's why I'm I'm using the second meeting Zoom Meeting. Yes, anyway. Discontinued for a while we've been on. I believe this call one password

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Sandra Jackson:  at.

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Sandra Jackson: I wanna say, last passes, probably discontinued here sometime last year. So

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): that's good to know. Yeah, okay, I'd like to get rid of it on my laptop. It really annoys me. Actually, okay, that's good to know. But then why does the password that was in the mail? Not work? That's the question. Then

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): same problem. Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: Well, we simply haven't explored the the the passport capability right yet. So.

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Paweł Pawlak: but if it doesn't work for you, I'm I don't think it would work for us. Right? So probably we need to raise a raise a question to Kenny

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Paweł Pawlak: as a response to this email pet

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Paweł Pawlak: that do you have this problem.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): I did that yesterday to be honest with you, but I presume Kenny is is off off, maybe on leave. I don't know.

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Sandra Jackson: No, he's not only he. He had a conflict this morning, but I will. I'm just putting a note here, so I'll follow with him. Let me double check my mail again. I didn't. I've had a few other meetings. I might have got a mail from him in the meantime.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): but I didn't think I saw anything. No, I didn't get a reply from him, and I sent him a mail about 24 h ago, but a chance to look at it

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): because of us passwords and stuff in the mail. I didn't. I didn't. CC, anybody else.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: so I'll follow up with you about that.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): May. Yeah. May maybe another question regarding passwords. We enabled, or Lf. It enabled the 2 factor authentication on Garrett. Right? And I had I had my Microsoft authenticator running, and it was integrated. But

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): unfortunately, my

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT):  my mobile has been completely wiped out.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): How can I

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): get? Let's say the code again to get a new entry on another phone or a new phone.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Whatever web pages where I could. We established then. or reconnect my authenticator, then to

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Paweł Pawlak: Mr. Kevin. are you with us?

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Kevin (LF): I'm sorry, guys. Can you hear me? Now?

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, here you will.

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Kevin (LF): can you repeat that question, please.

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Kevin (LF): let me check it. From which side we can rest or or try to link a new. a new authenticator app.

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Sandra Jackson: it gives you an option to authenticate a different way, maybe email or whatever. And then you can go in and remove the old phone. It didn't give you that option, either.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Let's say your laptop, of course, to to get it, and so on. That's not an issue, we answered, but I think I had some times where II was asked for to authenticate myself again, and then, of course, if I don't have the authenticator and the access, then of course, I cannot do that.

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Paweł Pawlak: Andres. But have you re installed the new new Microsoft authenticate on your new mobile new Mobile already?

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Yes, I have that. But it was not so. Let's say the initial or the accounts have not been stored

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): from Cloud again. So that's right. But as I was with my private or with my with my company phone. I was not using the cloud here.

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Paweł Pawlak: Norman. The the account for Links Foundation, Sso.

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Paweł Pawlak: I'd like to share with you guys some good news right, we have

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Paweł Pawlak: and so, yeah, I'm really happy to to work with you guys for the for this year.

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Paweł Pawlak: So thank you for submitting your proposals and thank you, Tsc community, for approving and accepting the those proposals. I'm really happy.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you, Paulo. I do my best assist you.

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Paweł Pawlak: And along with

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Paweł Pawlak: And as we have team also, maybe maybe viewing. You would like to share also some some updates Portimo would like to think of

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Byung-Woo Jun: requirements. Requirements, subcommittee understand? But before we go there the how how to manage Ptr meeting to have.

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Paweł Pawlak: So the question is, do we need to have release manager to to have Pts meeting?

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Byung-Woo Jun: I my opinion I don't think this should be one of the Pto. Should lead a Ptr. Meeting to me. because it's their decision. And then they you know, they exchange their their the information, and then they we can. We can attend

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Byung-Woo Jun: Ptr. Meeting, but they should drive to Ptm. Meetings one of the Pto. You know, one of the Pto. So if we don't have any volunteer, maybe

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): II think it's useful. I think we should keep it, although I'm I'm also not often participating but I think that's for discussing all these technical dependencies and the things. I think it's useful to have that

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Paweł Pawlak: We have some quorum of of few pities that can show some.

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Paweł Pawlak: some some takeaways right? And we can, as a as a other on up contributors, we can consult

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Byung-Woo Jun: I fully agree with their address in you, and because they have to exchange technical dependency and and findings. So they should share, you know, among Pto. And then, if there is no volunteer.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and maybe we can use what Andress did. You know oem model, I think, before Oem has Pto and Andress. You know, they have a lotate meeting. So every week they have different the, you know. Intern. Right? So, pto, so they just. But we can use that model if if no one wants to dedicate this meeting, this meeting. But we can use them. Anyway. I agree. We need this meeting. Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah. Sorry. Above all, I actually had to propose for a minute there had somebody at the door here. So we're agreeing to to keep the meeting. Reduce it to half an hour.

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Paweł Pawlak: for example. Yes, just to give, to keep it, to give opportunity to both. Ptl's to discuss certain things, but also other community members to to consult things with.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Yes. And do you want to? Always have it on? Or do you want to have a more like an on demand thing?

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think we consider having it always on hoping that details could come right, because that's the better model, because on demand and it doesn't work. Well.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): yeah, I think Liam was. He's not here to day. But I think Liam was proposing to combine it with this meeting. II do find there's a lot of overlap between these meetings. I use either meeting to bring issues up like like this who I had to day?

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): I know historically. And then there is probably some separation between the 2 meetings. Well, it's yeah. I would prefer if it could be combined to with this one, and it would be only one meeting per week, and I know that would be Liam's preference as well

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Byung-Woo Jun: Pto could tend to technical discussion. You'd be talking about the dependency and findings. Okay. But Tsc, we not necessarily going into that deep?

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's why Andres, he said. You know any dependency between Pto and then projects. And and then, after that, you know, reporting to Tsc, Csc, just need to know high level, not to

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Byung-Woo Jun: detail level. You know, that's that's why kind of separation. So you know, there was the purpose of the Pta meeting, or originally, if you combine it, we have to end up listening to all the technical detail, or someone not interested here. So that's my my preference.

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Paweł Pawlak: So, to conclude, we keep the meeting, but we we make it 30 min. So

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Paweł Pawlak: we would have this opportunity. And we can then address, based on the.

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Paweł Pawlak: you know. Take aways we have from few meetings at least. Right?

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): But who's gonna lead it the the next time? Pavel?

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Paweł Pawlak: Some good leader we are we? Are. We are asking for volunteers. Okay? So we need to volunteer between now and next Monday.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): They'll just see who shows up. And then then, you know, then then agree together with Who's there? Who's gonna lead it that week.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. Next one, though. Timo. And I discuss about this as a background. So currently outcome is handling both requirement and architecture reviews. And there's no problem. And we have done during the Montreal

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Byung-Woo Jun: and Timo as a photo enhancement. And then, since there's no activity to require subcommittee, and we just retire or remove the required subcommittee officially.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then archive all the wiki pages.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then that's the idea. Just the currently functionally outcome already took over of the requirements subcommittee. So that's why, Timo, I suggest to remove it. Timo so is use.

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Timo Perala: which kind of led me to conclude that maybe we are now in a place where one committee, one subcommittee of Tsc can handle both requirements and

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah. Okay. So last year, as the team would set, the requirement review happened at the outcome, not at the required of some company. That's why you have no activities there but activities. So anyway, now the you know, we need to officially retire. We require committee. So

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Timo Perala: or rather, if all those things that are necessary from the requirements point of handling point of view, will be handled by the arcom.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then, if, as needed some, you know, at the beginning of the only place a lot of, you know, require a new feature, new, you know, testify, we creating quite subcommittee now, only this mature and then on.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So anyway. So we can recreate, you know, if you, you know, demand is high, but for now, since no activity, so why not remove it

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Byung-Woo Jun: So Sandra also agree on that. So should we need we? Do we need to vote for that? Or is that an agreement which can be done?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Tsc. Already agreed to? Functional merging? And for the time and up the Requirements subcommittee. Maybe we won't vote it. Agree this team or once.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and once the Ts agree that, I defined the selection point, which is suggest by Timo. So that means we're gonna either archive requirement Wiki pages under Tsc sub, currently and or move to under our outcome, Wiki.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then any difference, we're gonna move to under outcome. And then I'm going to update outcome description to, you know, embed the requirement review function. So that's the action point. So for that action point. I hope the

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Byung-Woo Jun: yes, you can vote

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Byung-Woo Jun: team only stayed year one? Right?

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Timo Perala: Yeah. I think that's exactly correct.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thanks.

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Timo Perala: Thank you.

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Paweł Pawlak: as well within the Architectural Subcommittee.

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Byung-Woo Jun: My pleasure. Thank you. Team will help me a lot. So.

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bayon, can you say that one more time you said that you're gonna embed the

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think, though, that the agreement has been done last year already functional. So for now we just Tsc. Agree to remove the requirements subcommittee.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then, you know, can

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Byung-Woo Jun: outcome took over takeover. So yes, sir.

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Sandra Jackson: is that right? Okay, I just wanted to make sure.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: alright, I'm gonna drop this in. Hold on. Give me a second.

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Sandra Jackson: and the vote is open.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, I lost count. Let me get. Can't hear.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Got it.

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Sandra Jackson: We have it. Okay? So

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Sandra Jackson: we're going to go ahead and

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Sandra Jackson: alright. thank you. All for voting.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay. Next one this is kind of a announcement and advertisement. And don't want. And, Jenny, they are going to provide the proposal for data service announcement of intend driven network for New Delhi.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So this is a requirement review and then, pass through some architecture also so, and and don't want Zen, could you provide more detail as so we can have a more audience in the outcome next Tuesday.

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Sandra Jackson: Do you need to share anything?

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Dong Wang (China Telecom): Yeah, we will join the meeting. that's the Tuesday.

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Dong Wang (China Telecom): Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. Sixteenth.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay, okay, okay, good.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you. Bail. Thank you, darling. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: I don't think they have any house.

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Sandra Jackson: No andres andress a one oem update

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Byung-Woo Jun: from the project, Helen chat. So we can we allow the the CD based deployment. But we at that time, once you we agreed to have the

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Byung-Woo Jun: same Master Rosen and and Andress that's the background. Go ahead this year's now. Voice. Yes.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): yeah. I would like to present something, Sandra, if you can give me presentation rents.

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Sandra Jackson: Sorry I was on mute. I'm just gonna stop sharing. And you should be able to present.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Yeah, so basically. Iii put this in in some slides or in some some page last year already. I will put this into maybe the chat so that we can have that link here.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): what? What we what we did so in former times, as you might remember when we had in O in Om. So M. We will. We we are using for deploying and and and the the help charts all, all help. Charts are included in that.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): these kind of white cards here. So everything which starts with 13 will be taken for that for Montreal. And that's the reason what? And the procedure we used to have was, okay, we created an Om, basically a branch. Let's say,

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): In London we have a branch. And here it was the twelfth. Oh, and then we all in the master. We changed every every helm chart to the next release. So 13 and so on, and everyone starts with 13 again. So this we did also for for for Montreal.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): And we decided beforehand that we want to decouple that so every component should be, let's say, able to select their versions as they want. But it has, of course, drawbacks. Yeah. And this is what I wanted wanted to show a bit in that page where we had these chart dependencies. Yeah, if you see your components, let's say, help charts, as I'm talking

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): and it uses, even from other components, like common component chart or database charts, which are also from another chart, using them as well, using wildcards with the same kind of versioning here, and finally, the job, or when you install and compile the charts, they would be then stored in

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): So what? What we actually do not want anymore, actually. Or that was the decision that we do not want to bind these kind. Or let's say, release dependent versions and change everything.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): That's that's one possibility. What we would need to do. So, Maria, to be galera. I did updates other. The other ones are still in 1,301. So I'm not 100% sure how we would continue would be would be the best method, but definitely it would be good. If then, further

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): I think we cannot force here, whenever a a change in the in the common chart has been done, that every other chart which is using the common chart has, or also to update their version numbers. That means we have this kind of semantic versioning rules here with the with these kind of white cards, and I think they should.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): It will cause maybe some hiccups, partly if we don't change the number and but

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Byung-Woo Jun: That would be my my suggestion

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay? So the question so if I think this is good topic in Ptr meeting, too, this is a really good topic. Yeah. So Ptr meeting, you know, we can discuss photo anyway, for question is.

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Byung-Woo Jun: if the project, Pto, they said, no major changes in new daily and just maybe minor maintenance, you know. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: in that case, do you prefer they change to 14 anyway, or just leave 13. So what

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Byung-Woo Jun: what kind of option they have? I mean, preference is probably moving to 14, and because they simplify all the dependencies. But changing helm charts is not a big effort either. But

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): that that this has to be updated as well. So whenever you do that a major change you will need to take care that this kind of umbrella chart name number, is also changed. That's that's for you just to make you aware. But maybe that we can discuss also in the in the Pta meeting. That's right.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah. And and last year we defined this, the Montreal we did short term the you know the decision. We gonna follow this rules and then in the future. The you know, real future is, every project can have the different major. If there is only no major changes, they don't have to change it. But it

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Byung-Woo Jun: can create some headache for gating and an oem perspective. So that's why we need to do further discussion at the Pto. How much headache oem team gonna have without, you know, following the rules? Or is it time to? We just thought we gonna support this in the future? But this new daily is the future. So that means the Pto meeting. We gonna make decision. And then you put back Tsc, you know. Desk. My preference. Okay, that's good. Thank you. Andres, yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Good. Good. Good point andress.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay?

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): Alright, that was it.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: I think the next thing was just housekeeping. We didn't have anything listed, so I guess I will ask if there are any questions, comments, or last minute

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Byung-Woo Jun: I have

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Sandra, I have a comment, yeah.

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Sandra Jackson: go ahead. Go ahead.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah. During this till about March or so

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: this Rtsc. Call conflicts with the Osc. Call.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And so I'm and I'm actually on that call as well. And statues there, there's a lot

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: things happening there. And so I just wanna let people know I'm gonna keep track of that.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And the problem will go away in march, I think, because I believe

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: That's when the Us. Changes time zones daylight savings.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: but yeah, it's things are happening there. There's there's discussions about how Nephio is used in Osc. And and Smo, and all that is is also connected with

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: all the things we have been discussing or the use of own app for Orlandi.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Just thought I would let you know. Yeah. And then quick update on the Lfn Tac. Meeting. I think it was a short meeting yesterday. Some description number security.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: I think it'll pick up more later.

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Sandra Jackson: Yeah, there was really. There really wasn't a discussion on security.

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Sandra Jackson: it was left off to whatever they last discussed. I think the sixth of December. So they're gonna come back and and revisit that. And I think that they are going to schedule a meeting to discuss that in in more detail. So you didn't. There was really nothing to update

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Sandra Jackson: as far as the security

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Byung-Woo Jun: What scope of the security discussions they are providing.

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Sandra Jackson: If you're looking for a name name, just tap at type at Nk, and it will show up.

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Sandra Jackson: Oh, okay, I'm just like, I'm curious about the scope of this security discussion in the tech.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's why? And then, second may wants to,

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Byung-Woo Jun: So

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Sandra Jackson: so who was it? Is it, Amy?

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Sandra Jackson: I think Amy? And I believe she's she's yeah. Yeah. So so it's the same thing. And it's just mainly, I guess, getting the other elephant project in line with it. I think I wanna say, and I don't wanna see you gotta turn, but I'm pretty sure onap is in line with it already, since a lot of that

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Sandra Jackson: But getting like the the security badges and things of that nature and and pushing that forward in the other Lfn projects to.

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Sandra Jackson: insurance. That open source is secure, or whatever. But Amy covered a lot of that here and on that. So that's why I think. You're pretty up to date on it.

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Sandra Jackson: And I think the efforts to get that push throughout the el other elephant projects is what they're going to meet on and and things of that nature.

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Sandra Jackson: And hopefully, I didn't miss anything. Did I cover that right?

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan:  trying processes for other other elephant projects. I think Amy's leading on that. And she and Amy would be the best

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, you're gonna contact me.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh.

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Sandra Jackson: any other comments. Thank you for that shanker.

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Byung-Woo Jun: One comment about the following of the interest point. So I think it's good topic for Pto. So I'm not sure andress you gonna bring this

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Byung-Woo Jun: the topic to Pto meeting next Monday.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and I don't know who's gonna volunteer for next week Pto meeting. But anyway, so I, if possible, Andrea's putting up this issue to Ptl and we discuss and and possibly make some decision and then update to Tsc

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Byung-Woo Jun: next week or so, is that, okay.

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Andreas GEISSLER (DT): yeah. Andres, okay, yeah, we can do that. Umhm, okay, yeah.

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Sandra Jackson: Excuse me.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay. well, if there's nothing else you all actually get some time back again. Congratulations to

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Sandra Jackson: they on for the

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Sandra Jackson: rice.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you. Chair.

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Sandra Jackson: I know they call it different things in different community. So I'm trying to get myself together. Vice chair for ownat, we appreciate you stepping up

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Sandra Jackson: looking forward to working with you all and you Happy New Year to everyone again, and I hope everyone's refreshed, and

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Sandra Jackson: you have a good day. We'll see you same time next week.

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Paweł Pawlak: Just a small comment. Next week I will be on this business trip, so we'll not be able to attend. Do you see meeting in the week after I'm taking one week of winter holidays.

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Paweł Pawlak: So, unfortunately for the next tst meetings I won't be here, so I hope, beyond Eggwang. And and don't you could leave those meetings.

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Paweł Pawlak: Sure we're doing. Thank thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: That's that's very nice. I'm so jealous.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, yeah. Enjoy your time of power. Enjoy enjoy your time.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Sandra. 1 one more.

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Sandra Jackson: one more. So next week towine twine he agreed to run the Pto meeting next Monday.

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Byung-Woo Jun: so that means he will record the meetings, and then Andrews will bring up this issue to the Pta meeting. That's the kind of

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Byung-Woo Jun: I don't need any access to any.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Oh, who? What's the story with the zoom call for this? Anybody can run us. Yeah.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): When we joined it was already auto recording. Right?

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah. Recording. Then the point is to attach that push the recording to

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Paweł Pawlak: the wiki right? So I think this is the only one, or maybe do some small scenario of the meeting. If there are some certain points, a address addressed right

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Paweł Pawlak: on the wiki that are already, is there. or make a copy of this? Wiki?

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Yeah. But what's the story with the host? Blaming the host.

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Sandra Jackson: So I believe the Pto meeting is now run out of Pcc. Twon, and I could. I'm pretty sure that was before David left, he said. He set it up in Pcc. So there is. No, you don't have to claim the host. Yeah. Once. Once you log on

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): once you log on, you should be able to share and do whatever anybody can share at the moment.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I'll give you a reminder to you to one. Okay, thanks, Bill.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Okay. You volunteer. You need to help, though, as well.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I do. I do. I send you. I send the email before the meeting.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay, thank you, guys.

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Sandra Jackson: thank you. Bye, bye.

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Sandra Jackson: bye-bye. Have a good one.

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Byung-Woo Jun: You, too, bye.