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Byung-Woo Jun: Hello, Dong Wong! How are you?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi, Biel? I'm good. How are you? Good! Can you hear? Can you see my screen?

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Dong Wang (China Telecom): Yes, yes, I can see it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, let's wait.

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Dong Wang (China Telecom): Okay, yeah, that's the weight of your second.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, okay, thank you. And I'm mute.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi andres.

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Andreas Geissler: Hi, I hope you can see my screen, too.

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Andreas Geissler: Yes, I can. That's good.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think the Kenny and Sandra in training was submitting today. So they're gonna start joining from next week. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: nice. Wait.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi, Shankar, I liam.

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Byung-Woo Jun: hey? Let's wait one more minute, and then we're gonna start. Maybe some more people.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi, Thomas.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I we can

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Byung-Woo Jun: stop Sandra

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Byung-Woo Jun: and Kenny. They are in some meetings or training, so they told us they cannot attend this meeting so.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and Donwong, Kaguan and Mars said, we are going to host meeting today. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: as a start, I so this is january 20 fifth Tsc. Year, 2,024. I'm going to start our meeting, and then don't want and Kegwan please the.

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know, jump in any time you want to,

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Byung-Woo Jun: update. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: Andrews. So this agenda is 11 cross organization update. We are talking about briefly about own sc collaboration. I see Nk. Shanku I mentioned. But there is some follow up and between Orange and OMT. And Andress can. Briefly,

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know. Talk about this and

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Byung-Woo Jun: Tsc. I'm not sure any going to join today? At the second we want to

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Byung-Woo Jun: make announcements for onap

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Byung-Woo Jun: releases prior to London and saying all on it.

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releases prior to London are broken

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Byung-Woo Jun: because aaf certificate is

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Byung-Woo Jun: expired. So you just should select London, plus. That's the kind of the current announcement we want to propose. So we need to some agreement from Tsc member today.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Then we are going to change documentation and other Wikis release notes based on that

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Byung-Woo Jun: and release status I'm going to share briefly about the project status in new daily releases. And I sent email to Ptl for the key updates benefit

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Byung-Woo Jun: and the Pt update. I'm gonna share a brief debrief to what happened this Monday. Not much. And and also we're gonna report our com and oem and the

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Byung-Woo Jun: second dates.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then there's some updated.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and the event coming

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Byung-Woo Jun: on on any summit is scheduled and the session topic agenda

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Byung-Woo Jun: has been published.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and also Kenny confirmed elephant Dtf. Will follow when he summit. I think it will be same time like last year, and May second and third. So that's the basic agenda. If you have any any additional agenda, just let me know, and let's start from the beginning.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So there's some collaboration as Nk. Shankar mentioned last week. and James Lee, and then Luis from Orn, Sc. Team contact OM. And others.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and they share their their presentation slide deck. How they gonna wants to use the

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Byung-Woo Jun: on it. And Andres, do you have any update for this? You want to and talk about briefly about this?

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Andreas Geissler: Yeah, I don't know that the the presentation, and wanted actually, and this week to go

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Andreas Geissler: through the slides to give some comments or some feedback to

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Andreas Geissler: the let's say, conclusions and the changes which would propose and and we're done so we. Unfortunately, as some colleagues from Tata wanted to present their enhancements, or they change changes and questions, and even want to. Let's say, contribute to OM. We postpone this discussion, maybe to next week.

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Andreas Geissler: But in the meantime we will. I will definitely go through the slides and make some notes so that we have. let's say some let's say, Pre, that I have some some pre notes here. What would be done? Or what is the plan? For example, here? Yeah. So there is a plan to deprecate the the message.

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Andreas Geissler: So that's something what? Of course we can. We can stay. And all of these these other

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Andreas Geissler: thoughts. Yeah. yeah. So I will definitely give that a feedback or collect this feedback, and then we can go next week

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Andreas Geissler: in the Om meeting through my notes, and then, maybe, if others would have some other notes from our team, that would do, we conclude that and and give that back to Louise

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Andreas Geissler: or James Lee so, and that, that will be done. Yup. And

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Byung-Woo Jun: to make some kind of conclusion out of that. Sure, thank you, Andreas, I think you know, maybe next week we can work something from all an Sc team.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And as Andress mentioned about Tata communication. Yeah, yeah, just just a comment to Andreas and yourself.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan:  when you look, look at the presentation and look at the questions from Louise. Just keep in mind. If if

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: if you think that is a good

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: sort of reference implementation or default method of using own app and OS components for for the Smo.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: because that's the discussion is going in that direction. And

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: and I would be interested in. If if you think, for example.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: you might have one conclusion, saying, This is the right thing to do, let him do it, and we'll make that the standard implementation for other people to follow. or he might come to a conclusion, saying, what he's doing is right. But

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: there are other ways of doing it. And so there are multiple options. And so it it'll it will be good to know which way you are thinking that that's the plan. We you know, when we have a meeting with the at the Oem team we test. We gonna discuss about that. We're gonna review the their presentation side.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And good thing I found from the slide deck his state. I think that they are moving on to latest on it, frozen because we they had experience with the aaf

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Byung-Woo Jun: aaf under certificate. So they, we convince them to to move on to London, plus. So I think the one of the slides that they are doing it. And also, yeah. Also, I think they interest me. Select us. You know

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Byung-Woo Jun: the select own app functions, not every owner platform that's a good thing, and conforming to streamlining. And not only the Orient team. We're gonna talk about more tata communication.

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Byung-Woo Jun: They are interested in taking some of the owner function. That's a good thing. So Andro's team already supporting the individual project in selection based on the owners streamlining. So I think there's good synergy between owner and the orange and the Tata communication. So anyway, we're not talking about. So, okay, that's the thing.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Andrews, do you have any additional comments? Well, we're gonna move on.

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Andreas Geissler: No, you can move on. That's fine.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you. Desk. Update any question. Stop us.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And Amy is not here today. So second

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Byung-Woo Jun: we are. We have some discussion this week, and so we know

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Byung-Woo Jun: aaf certificate ex expired. And then so we need to tell our customers, and then some participant companies. We need to tell them, all owner releases prior to London are broken because of the af certificate issues.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So they should select. You know, London plus. So is that okay, to send this announcement to public. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know, I like to get some content from Tsc, any objection. Yeah, I'm not sure we're gonna do both, because not enough. But

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Byung-Woo Jun: do you have any objection telling the customer we're going to go this path

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Andreas Geissler: if you have any objection just wanted me on that. I fully agree with that to do that.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, so great

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Byung-Woo Jun: and so this is action point. And then tsc documentation. Thomas, I'm not sure what which document section you need to put that in. And then I'm going to change outcome and also walking with Pablo and Dongwong and Kegwan. We're gonna push some Tsc, Wiki and some release notes. We're gonna announce that. So when

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Byung-Woo Jun: they customer look at the own app, and they try to download the own app function. They should know they should select the London plus. Okay, this is kinda done. We're gonna do this. And we're gonna talk separately about how you gonna publish this on it, Wiki? And then

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Byung-Woo Jun: Rtd, Thomas, okay, so, Thomas, do you have any suggestion here?

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Thomas Kulik: Yeah, just thinking about it. But definitely, put it in the we should put it in the release note in the the composite release note of Umhm

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Thomas Kulik: of the the latest release. Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: yeah, that's the.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then I look at the David Mcbride previous release note. And then I'm gonna squeeze him. And then I'm gonna talk to you before we publish it. Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay, 2 down. And I'm gonna share this project. Status.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay, this is what we created. I actually, I created copying the David Mcbride. And then we are trying to update the update this page related information. So anything I,

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Byung-Woo Jun: and you know, change the orange, you know. So service design. Sdc, we don't have active Pta any longer. Vfc. And the unhong, she confirmed. She's not Pta any longer.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So we're not sure. And then so, Thomas, we have a project lead for some of the components, even though they don't have a ptl, but they have a stay, active commuters. So the project is the active. So, okay, we, we have a separate column for New Delhi, and this project is active, even though, we don't have. Ptl, so this is the additional column we're gonna indicate. So this is responsible for the Ptl.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then they have to update the Harlem Chart version, and they want to use for New Delhi.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And the good thing is Andrew's Om days is he supports flexibility on the Halem chat versioning. So, Pto, if you don't have any major changes, you don't have to change the major version so. But let Andrews knows about this.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Because she need to manage it to umbrella. Helen chat so that as as long as this of some communication between Andrews and the Pto. It should be fine. And then yes, it will be flexible, Andrews, you said, is that my understanding. Is that correct?

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Andreas Geissler: Yes, that's right, that's right.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So whatever you see. And whatever I get anyway, I know when there's a patch that I will anyway take into consideration for the updates. That's fine. I put the voluntary active. Ui. We know how this really active anyway, and project status new daily. This is the same thing and the key update.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So I can't take a few the ptos to update their feature putting key update benefits. So you know, Pto, please the

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Byung-Woo Jun: or the Tsc Inquis, Pto to put the information. I think. I ui! They were gonna put the the key benefit, you know, and then update 2 updates one from China mobile, one from China telecom. So this is kind of a changes. Okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's the one I'm back to here.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So Etl and the this week, just the we share the information about the how oem helm chart versioning, as you know, supported in the new daily. So we just share this new the plan and handling with the ptl.

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Byung-Woo Jun: so that's the good thing. So anyway, if you want to see more detail, you can go to this pages. But that's the basic updates. okay this week. So I think it's a good thing we have a burgeoning flexibility. So okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I have a question

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: we used to. We used to track the use case work

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: activity going on. For example, the Sun use case. We are continuing.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: It's all Oran focused. Or in this case Oran and Cps focused. And there is. And and II don't. I know the work that is happening, and some of it is overseas. Some of it is on app.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Do you have any thoughts about whether you want to track it on the own app side, or is it the Benchong is doing it?

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Pardon.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Gan Chung. he used to handle use cases.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, yeah, but I

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: I don't. I don't see anything on the

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Okay. for example, the Sun use case there used to be.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: We used to just keep track it under

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: I am not actually

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: created a I can last time I copied the page from London to Montreal. So I've not done that for New Delhi yet. Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: if if you can, I yeah, definitely want to track that. Okay. So I'm gonna socialize you and Ben Chong about how you know. Handle if you can create the the new daily the pages.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then you can send me the link. I'll I'll try to track. Because currently Arctic just subcommittee we tracked the requirement several requirement already reviewed at the outcome. And I'm going to once you send the link. Then I'm gonna track the used cases and working with you and the benchm. Okay, benchmark, but definitely some use cases and other requirements it affects cps, it affects Sdn, C,

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: and I put in the requirements marked it in the Jira. It's marked as New Delhi.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: I have to do a review with Architecture committee. I'm essentially waiting just to

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: there is commitment to do the work. And so that makes the presentation that much more.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Okay, once you have a commitment just content me scaling to update to come review and we create a jitter every single review, and we track their way.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and that the only jitter were linked to your requirement and other, you know, information. So once you you have commitment, please contact me, and then I'll arrange to on review schedule. Okay? So you're still following the same process. Yes, just we actually come they can. We can handle many things. Okay. So anyway, just contact me, send me email

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Byung-Woo Jun: title. I allow the time slot. Okay, good. Sounds good. Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay, pto, we decide to shrink it to 30 min. And then also,

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Byung-Woo Jun: mainly focus on the technical discussion among the Ptl, so that's why we like to some Ptl.

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Byung-Woo Jun: one of the Ptl. Or, you know, rotating. You know we need some rotating host for Ptl. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: first week from Alexand he volunteer to host the meeting. and then the this week this Monday no volunteer. So I temporarily handle that.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then so if any ptl, I send the email to a Pto on a Ptl, if any volunteer for a meeting for next week, host, also a top discussion topic, and let us know. Then we can arrange the you know the agenda.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then well, anyway, we're gonna have meeting, anyway. So we'll see how it goes. Okay. But I hope to Pto more active. And then provide the more other volunteer for hosting. It's a rotating one. So anyway, that's the information already. Information sent to Pto, so okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: And the this week I'll come under Howway. And I think Cmcc also involved this one. But Kanye she presented the requirement and architecture for incident Api requirement for a new Deli.

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Byung-Woo Jun: basically collecting instant analyzing, aggregating and then provide uniform collaborates, consolidate incident reports. So I think, mainly they have a 2 step. And to for

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Byung-Woo Jun: R 14 they're gonna handle for only the collecting and then handling through Sdn Ccc. SDK, and then the R. 15, they plan to

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Byung-Woo Jun: handle more control loop. But anyway she presented for requirements

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Byung-Woo Jun: for new daily. And we reviewed. And then we approved. So anyway, so you can see more detail about this. And

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Byung-Woo Jun: any comment you, you involve this one, too last last last release you are. You are part of that right?

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Keguang He: Yes, the

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Keguang He: we have a requirement about it. But maybe we have some challenge to finish this work. So we divided

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Keguang He: this requirements into a several small requirements.

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Keguang He: and the in New Jersey. They will finish that some part of the requirements.

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Keguang He: and I think in the next 2 days

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Keguang He: we will do more work

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Keguang He: to to to do the insight incident management

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Keguang He: with intern with the intent drive in so I think for new dirty release.

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Keguang He: They may do some some worker

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Keguang He: folks on folks on the incident management, and in next release after New Derby release. We will do more work with intended driven. So this is our plan. Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, yeah. Positive part of it. Okay, I added. And the if you. Look at the optic to a meeting link, and that is a link for requirement. And then, this is some slide deck. So you can. Actually look at the what they plan. Okay, I think III I think this is very important requirement, too.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So in so far new daily. 3 important requirements one from China, mobile generative AI and China telecom, or data service, and then Howway and Cmcc, for instance, the Api requirement for new daily. So take a look at that, and probably we can.

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Byung-Woo Jun:  And this the deck next one at the OM. Maybe. Andress you can. Debrief this one Andres.

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Andreas Geissler:  That was sorry for what? What's that? Right? So we had a presentation from to tata colleagues? Which are using in there? Let's say, own solution. Let's say or

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think that I think some of the slide, but they not allowed to present, you know, the share with the publicly yet, but once they have some permission we can share. Well, I think the good, you know, you know, achievement. They made so still following the owner security architecture and logging enhancement architecture. But they made it the more

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Byung-Woo Jun: and the and also logging enhancement we provide architecture contribution. But we have not. We did prototype we made in. It's gonna work. And then so global concept. But the code is not there. But I think Tata communication. They are tackling same you know.

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Byung-Woo Jun: the area following the architecture we provided. And then, one thing is we share the common.

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Byung-Woo Jun: the issues and front bit they need the root access privilege. We had the same problem. But Nsa, they suggest a certain method. And so we are discussing with Top that once they engage those I think, gonna discuss additional. The you know point, I think you will be very nice, I think, thank you. And they gonna contact andress additional information. Then, once, then, we can

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Byung-Woo Jun: andress, you know, and myself can share with information here. Okay, okay, thank you. Thank you. Andress. And

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Byung-Woo Jun: since Emmy is not here. And then I mentioned about second major discussion about this. The release, the notes. So this she will talk about. If you want to see the meeting this week meeting, you can see.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and the last one is the upcoming event. Housekeeping summit. This

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Byung-Woo Jun: and I was part of the programming Committee and also Emmy and then other so, and based on several people's common recommendation. They selected this topic will be very interesting.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then many of them is AI and based on the optimization security. I think the many advanced topic. They also intend, of course, and advanced topic. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: I seen China mobile. Ii sort of their presentation, I think China telecom, too, and several are very the AI base intent based. Their plan will be very interesting.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then Kenny confirmed last night.

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Byung-Woo Jun: then, like last year, and this on at the same week, are we gonna have Elef and Dtf, this is a date may second and third following only summit. So like last year, only summit first and then followed by the elephant. Dtf, this is the upcoming event. Okay? And don't want Kegwan. Do you have any additional topic? And then common

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Byung-Woo Jun: before we close meeting?

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Keguang He: Sorry. Hello, Bill, I have question. And for the one summit. And

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Keguang He: I find dtf, Michigan

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Keguang He: to do. Do they provide online meeting? Or we can only join this meeting in person.

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Byung-Woo Jun: We have to ask how we're gonna work last year we selectively, you know, to participate. You said this old end meeting, too.

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Keguang He: No due for one summit.

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Keguang He: and lf, and dtf.

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Keguang He: for this meeting, because I can't. Maybe I can't join this person this meeting in person. So II I'm not sure whether they provide a online meeting

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh, no, I believe. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I think the

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Byung-Woo Jun: I'm not sure currently they indicate in person. But previously last year, I think they shared some of the information online. So you can, you know, hear that. So we can ask Kenny for more detail. He's the one problem, I think the I think

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Byung-Woo Jun: last year I think the only few people they joined away meeting and elephant Dtf, and then I don't think I'm not sure. But anyway, I I'm sure there will be some kind of online plan. But anyway, so but the one thing is only summit is the

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Byung-Woo Jun: is to not free. So that's I'm not sure. Okay, so not it's not free. You have to register with this and pay some money. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: I'm not sure. Okay. So maybe we're gonna answer Kenny about that. You know, next week. So okay, I'll I'll ask. I'll follow up that.

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Keguang He: Okay, okay, maybe I can send the email to, can you, too, online. But I'm not sure about the only summit. Okay.

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Keguang He: Okay. Okay. Alright. Okay. Thank you.

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Dong Wang (China Telecom): Yeah, no, no more information. Thank you so much.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, before we close meeting. Do you have any comment? And then any suggestions here before close meeting

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ONAP Meeting 4: I beyond here. Sorry I was. I only joined you in the last few minutes. Something else just on the the cost. I noticed already registered for it because I'm presenting it to one so much. If there is actually $50. No sorry $100 charge for the

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Byung-Woo Jun: myself today. Charge.

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ONAP Meeting 4: Yep.

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ONAP Meeting 4: I think they probably did that to prevent a lot of people register and then not showing up.

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ONAP Meeting 4: Okay, I just guessing. I just guessing. Maybe maybe Kenny can explain it to us better.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kenny. You know, like that last meeting and 50 people didn't show up, even though they registered. That's why we want. I think that that's the good plan. Okay, thank you. Thank you for letting us know. Okay, alright, thank you. That's about it. And today, and I'm gonna put this recording into this web pages. Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: thank you so much.

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ONAP Meeting 4: Thanks to you. Bye, bye, have a good day, everybody.

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Keguang He: Thank you. Bye.

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Byung-Woo Jun: right.