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Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT): Hello, Sandra!

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Hello! How are you?

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Marek SZWAŁKIEWICZ (DT): I'm pretty good. I'm today proxying for, and grass. He's on vacation.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Who? Who is on vacation?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Oh, okay. Alright. Also, do I need to take them off the

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That's why he didn't reply to my email.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Hold on for a second. I'm trying to stop the recording until we actually start the meeting

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I'm not gonna come on to next to 30. First.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): this thing is so slow.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Sandra. hamatic will be made

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Andreas Geissler (DT): proxy, Nick, from next week

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Andreas Geissler (DT): for the next 2 weeks. So not today.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, everyone as folks are coming in. Oh, actually, it's only 10 folks here right now, and let me give it another minute or so. Give me a sec.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): all right, jumping into the agenda

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and let me just double check. I don't think I stopped it.

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Okay, jumping into the agenda.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): We have a few organizational, cross-organizational updates.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  we need to talk about Tsc elections. And Mr. Paul has joined. So he'll speak to that

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): release management and the subcommittee updates.

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That, I guess Andreas is gonna give

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and and bayong, and then any our regular housekeeping. So

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): is there anything that needs to be added

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to the agenda.

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Okay. let's get into it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I'll go first with the changing, naming convention.

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As you all know, the

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): the ballots were out, the voting closed on the 20 ninth. The link is here to see the results. But the winner for the tag line

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is next generation network automation.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And so that is the winner. The next step is to take it to our marketing folks, and they will

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): do any updates that they they need to do with the tagline.

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So thank you. Everyone who participated in the vote

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and we officially have the tagline

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and let me see, is

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): shanker on? I don't know.

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N Shankar: Yes, and I'm here. You hear me? Okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): yep, I can hear you. Do you wanna give a brief Update for

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N Shankar: a time scale there was. There was. Yeah. Was an 11 tech meeting yesterday which I attended, and last week there was a special

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N Shankar: meeting it was actually a meeting of the Los Angeles Board that members were invited to just attend and observe. and

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the main thing happening in both of these meetings is is something that Ronnie has presented here also before.

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N Shankar: Which is the role of a INO,

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N Shankar: in networking? And Lsm, and how? How is a animal used for networking. How can networking help Aiml

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N Shankar: and real? And it's

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N Shankar: I mean, it's already gone through his presentation. The one thing I will note here is

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N Shankar: Onampos mentioned specifically that it's it's

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N Shankar: seems like it's going to be relevant for

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N Shankar: an automation control loop driven by A and L, because it sort of naturally fits in there. And and and the questions also came up is in terms of

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N Shankar: the use case or the target network on which management or automation is being done. And if it is oriented towards the video access networks around, then we have all the discussions we had before, that the connection to R and C seems

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N Shankar: seems very relevant. And and so there is some work happening in that context also which I'm tracking. But this topic is much broader.

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N Shankar: It's it's it's all aspects of a Iml. And and it's it's very interesting and very relevant.

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N Shankar:  Rennie, did you want to add something beyond what we discussed earlier? Yeah.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): yeah. So as you mentioned, this topic was discussed by the Governing board which decided to

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): And the next steps are being discussed in the governing board. Sbc, the strategic planning committee. Just a heads up it seems like there will be a special interest group launched by the Spc. To further

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): discuss what needs to be done in the AI front? And how does it translate to the various projects, and whether new projects should be launched or new initiatives?

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): So keep an eye out on a call for participation in such a special interest group that details are being

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation):  worked on right now Kenny's

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): working with the Sbc to create the official call for participation. But it's gonna go out soon. So if you're interested

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): or have colleagues in your organization that are interested in working on the actual next steps for implementing more AI and machine learning in networking. Please keep an eye out, and once the call for participation is out.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): please make sure it reaches the right target audience. And the right candidates who can work on on it's part of that special interest group.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, thank you for the update. Shankar and Randy and and you covered both. Actually, any questions

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N Shankar: a common shared, sanitized data that that could serve multiple groups.

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N Shankar: And there's seem to be a lot of interest, and then hopefully. some willingness to to provide data sets which which is the lifeblood of anything.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Yep.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): thank you. And just a reminder for those who are coming in late that we are. You need to highlight yourself, as Green is showing that you're in attendance

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): any other comments about the Tac or board? special meeting update?

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay? So we'll move on to elections.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Do you see elections, Mr. Paul? You wanna take it away.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): Yeah, I guess I can. elections are coming up. We do that in September.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN):  nothing really will have changed from the last time we did this.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): Cassandra will be putting out a

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): vote in the election and also run for Atsc Seat.

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Kenny PAUL (LFN): ballots will go out individually to the community that is qualified. the election will take place

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Kenny PAUL (LFN):  and everything else. We've been through this

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Kenny PAUL (LFN):  basically, the process is unchanged from

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright. So look for communication soon.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and moving down to release information. Andres, do you want to give us an update on the the certificate exploration?

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Well, I have tried a couple of tweaks and let's say.

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Andreas Geissler (DT):  The same, I think, also others in the community did, and what I received from in the mailing list

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Andreas Geissler (DT): in the discuss channel which where he had a solution for the AI certificate.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): a certificate authority and added that to the trust store. Yeah, with enough.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): I haven't. I mean, I did not. Re, really. Let's say, re reverse engineer. Everything in the code of

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Andreas Geissler (DT): I haven't find hadn't found a way to to solve this issue. Actually.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): so and I will be on vacation for the next 2 weeks.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): that would be appreciated if someone could help here.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): But I hadn't didn't find any any proper solution, actually.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): especially a proper solution without let's say, recompiling the code. So I mean, we do. The code is archived.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): So, and the only way I would see, or

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Andreas Geissler (DT): So I am a little bit clueless

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Andreas Geissler (DT): and haven't received an email from, although he should be back from vacation, but I think also he has not really insights into the Afc. Code itself.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): I don't know if he is, he would be able to.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Let's say, help you.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Yeah, that's the status.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, thank you for that. Andrea.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): So again, if anyone has any ideas on how to fix this or have a workaround. Please reach out

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Byung-Woo Jun:  Otherwise we need to promote it on it, to move to London quickly as possible, because Aaf needs for Java, and also they are using CAD,

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Byung-Woo Jun: which is adapter and which is cold. So so it's impact

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Byung-Woo Jun: how one of the solution is move to

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Byung-Woo Jun: London quickly. So, anyway, that's the my suggestion.

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Byung-Woo Jun: It. So I guess London doesn't. I mean, this might be a stupid question. But I'm asking. Anyway, London. We don't use a we're using to Andros team and then already move to self, smash ingress, and then, you know, kick off. So

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay, alright. Thank you.

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Zhen Li - China telecom: Vp

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Zhen Li - China telecom: and Jakarta Istanbul

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Andreas Geissler (DT): con release. All of the older release which are using af they are affected. So not only not only code.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): but I was testing it on call or testing in a and because it has not. So Af has not changed since, I think 3 releases or something. So that means all of the other

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Zhen Li - China telecom: Yes, thank you. But I mean for some use case maybe they they they they to Cata, or this or the the older release is is still is. So I mean, when you try to to solve this problem, maybe you can take take it the to kind of release. And they

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Andreas Geissler (DT): yes, of course, of course, whenever we find a solution. We will provide patches. Then for all of the charts that's right, yeah, yeah, so for all of the reasons yeah, yeah, that's clear, yeah,

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  we can move down to or at least planning, we were so last week, we were set or, we thought, we were set

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): to take a vote on the  release planning Montreal schedule.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And there was some further discussion that II guess, took place. So are we ready to vote on the actually, I think they just have.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, it's the up to the we discuss this one. And if you click to the Pdf on a streamline release plans Pto

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Byung-Woo Jun: and our Come we couple of the Pto. And also a pse member joined this week, and we discussed about this proposal.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Dave Mcbride is up this week. So we

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Byung-Woo Jun: discuss, maybe we can

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Byung-Woo Jun: have 1 one more discussion at outcome next week. And then, we're gonna do a final proposal to Tse next Thursday for both. So that's a plan. But if you click the the Pdf, I can briefly

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Byung-Woo Jun: talk about

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): okay, sure hold on.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay, hold on. I'm sure it's gonna be a download. So let me

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): get it really, really quickly

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): downloads.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, if you can make later, bigger than this point. Basically, this is a lot we discuss. So basically the montio is a marketing release which tied to 13 major release, and and the from the David and Reese perspective. They. We have the marketing at 13 restarts. If you look at the next sign, particular line, and we just on the release candidate date and then sign up date.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So we don't have the milestone. 1, 2, 3, 4. Those thing. We don't have it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So in the each Pto they determine their project as our site we apply as our process, and then based on their feature. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: so this outcome require committee, and second, they have their overall, just, you know, specification and guidance to stand up so they publish the what they expect from the marketing release. That's fine. Each. Ptr, take that input they decide their own schedule.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's why it's within this diagram illustration project. Abcd, they have a different cycle. Different. How many other, you know, minor, and how many patchy itself to them.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So they decide which feature going into that one the Agi cycle, and once they finish. They just just share the feature goals and status of that as aisle. They can share with the the outcome. And Tsc.

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Byung-Woo Jun: David, one more time before the final boarding. So if you can take a look at this, and if you have any suggestion, you can give us input already next week. Then we gonna incorporate that.

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Ram Krishna Verma, Bell Canada: Okay, so my question is that in this release process, right? Where are we validating that the components are working with each other.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Exactly. Thank you. So that's why last flood after Montreal, we learn during the Montreal we learn a lot. And this new process plan. So we have additional feedback, and this, you know recommendation. Then we can revisit our plan for annuals. But I think, Montreal, we can

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Alright. So I'll jump into housekeeping. And there are reminders that we have the one summit regional day coming up in Spain. September 18.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): I thought I thought the I'll add it here. I thought the topics page is open for that, but maybe I'm mixing it up with something else.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  Or the schedule was up for it. But I'll double check that and and drop it in

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): China. Regional today is coming up September 20, sixth.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): And then our reminder about the face to face. Dmtf. In Budapest. November thirteenth, through the seventeenth. Please get your topics in the topic. Proposals are being accepted right now.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN):  And if you have not registered.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): please do so. I'll drop that link back into, because I don't see it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Say it again.

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Timo Perala (Nokia): a request for a proponap program committee member for that event, and we I think we need one

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Paweł Pawlak: I can volunteer if there are no other.

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): Yeah, just to add to that, as you might remember, Timo and I were representing own up in the previous event committees. But Tim always

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): indicated that he has other obligations. And I, of course, I'm not. I'm no longer holding any official role in the on our community. So

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): while Timo and I will still be on the committee, maybe wearing other hats to be good to have someone from the own up community

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on that as well, and we, of course, will do our best to help whoever it is

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): do the work. It's not a lot of hard work. It's just

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): scheduling sessions and communicating information back to the own up community community from that committee. So it's a participation in those weekly or bi weekly meetings of the committee and

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Ranny Haiby (Linux Foundation): a little scheduling work. Probably.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): So if anyone's interested in in stepping up and helping out with the planning committee. Please reach out

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): via the mailing list so that we can get you once the planning can make it convenes that we can make sure that you're added to that list.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Anything else.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Okay? Well, if there's nothing else.

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everyone have a good day again, please. If you have not highlighted yourself in attendance. I'm not going to do it.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): Unless you're having a problem and communicate that to me. Please highlight yourself as an attendance today

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and everyone have a good day, Andreas, enjoy your holiday.

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Sandra Jackson (LFN): and we'll see you here same time next week.

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Andreas Geissler (DT): Thank you. Bye, bye.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): thanks bye.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): hey, Jeff, how are you?

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): Yeah. I think you need to enroll now and check that just oh, you need to go where you don't work now. Yet.

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Toine SIEBELINK (EST): There's a few things to eat on that page.