09 Aug 2018	~~IRC Minutes~~	2018 TSC Recordings	Full IRC Log	Zoom Chat Log	Zoom Attendance Log

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Duration	Agenda Item	Requested by	Notes / Links
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10 m	Housekeeping	Kenny Paul
10 m	Proposal on a TSC policy on upgrade	Stephen terrill	carried from Aug 2 TSC 2018-08-02
10 m	Suggestion in comment on So, you want your own mailing list?	Keong Lim
10 mins	Handling of TSC policies	Stephen terrill

Full IRC Log

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Zoom Chat Log

07:01:50 From Milind Jalwadi : #info proxy Milind Jalwadi, TechMahindra
07:01:53 From Srini Addepalli (Intel) : #info proxy Srini Addepalli, Intel
07:01:57 From steverummel : steven rummel proxy for Jason Hunt
07:01:59 From Stephen Terrill : #info Stephen Terrill, Ericsson
07:02:09 From Frank Brockners : #info Frank Brockners, Cisco
07:02:10 From Alla Goldner : #info Alla Goldner, Amdocs
07:02:12 From Susana (VF) : #info Susana Sabater, Vodafone
07:02:13 From steverummel : #info proxy Jason Hunt
07:02:23 From Ranny Haiby : #info Ranny Haiby, Nokia
07:02:29 From Mourad Takla (Verizon) : #info Mourad Takla, Verizon
07:02:37 From mazingilbert : #info mazin gilbert, ATT
07:02:51 From Zhaoxing : #info Zhaoxing Meng, ZTE
07:03:08 From Eric Debeau : #info Eric Debeau, Orange
07:03:13 From Chaker Al-Hakim : #info proxy Chaker Al-Hakim, Huawei
07:03:31 From Lingli : #info Lingli, CMCC
07:03:50 From Michael O'Brien (OOM, LOG, Amdocs) : Michael O = Acting PTL for OOM this week
07:05:20 From Murat Turpcu ( Turk Telekom) : #info Murat, Turk Telekom
07:08:52 From Lingli : Sorry was muted. The meetup in Xian is going great. We will share the material on the wiki after tomorrow.
07:11:33 From Lingli : +1 to Mazin's suggestion.
07:24:57 From Catherine Lefevre : SO - Sheshukov has been re-elected
07:25:03 From Catherine Lefevre : sorry Sheshukov
07:25:11 From Catherine Lefevre : Seshu.
07:25:37 From Eric Debeau : Congrats Seshu ;-)
07:26:00 From Ramki Krishnan : Hearty Congrats Seshu!
07:30:56 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action: kennypaul TSC ballot to ba a single ballot with language to differentiate between reserved/non-reserved seats.
07:34:26 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action: kennypaul to generate side-by-side sheet for december/jan developer session.
07:37:17 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action: kennypaul to circle back with subcommittees on elections
07:38:34 From xinhui li to Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) (Privately) : #info Xinhui Li, VMware
07:38:41 From xinhui li to Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) (Privately) : I can not login IRC
07:38:48 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #agreed: Steve T’s proposal on Handling of TSC Policies
07:38:58 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : Not using IRC today.
07:39:42 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #topic TSC Policy on Release Upgrades
07:43:17 From Murat Turpcu ( Turk Telekom) : can we have a tool to run on existing deployed instance to check if modules are healthy for a upgrade
07:44:24 From Murat Turpcu ( Turk Telekom) : we may have some spesific modifications on a module that may effect upgrade
07:46:08 From Srini Addepalli (Intel) : In my view, rolling upgrades are important to ensure that there is no service disruption.
07:48:11 From xinhui li : yes
07:48:26 From Keong : if rolling upgrades are achieved, then 6th monthly ONAP releases might become redundant
07:48:28 From xinhui li : rolling upgrades are important
07:50:11 From Keong : each ONAP project could have a "compatibility guarantee" in the spirit of Golang https://golang.org/doc/go1compat
07:53:19 From Brian : CCVPN should not assume carriers are on the same verions - capabilities that match at the MEF interface yes but should not have to be on the same release
07:54:26 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : # If interested in providing input to the proposal contact Steve T.
07:54:39 From Helen Chen : Do we support “out of service upgrade” or “in service upgrade”?
07:56:38 From Eric Debeau : Let's first concencrate on deployability and get clean installation.
07:57:19 From Eric Debeau : I believe that we should also check that the components are well designed to easily support upgrade
07:57:33 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #topic Suggestion of mailinglist handling
07:58:37 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #Keong Lim reviewed the proposal
07:58:47 From Michael O'Brien (OOM, LOG, Amdocs) : one of the issue with mailing list fragmentation is where to put mails based on topic - and where to find them - for example security, sdnc and release mails also span onap-discuss, and sdnc issue may impact other projects if it is devops related (ie a docker/helm/kubernetes issue)
08:02:31 From Brian : Confluence is the bigger issue
08:06:00 From Michael O'Brien (OOM, LOG, Amdocs) : tags perform the role of mailing list segregation
08:06:08 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action kenypaul need to provide better education on the use of the current groups.io system
08:08:24 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #topic wiki vs. read the docs
08:10:15 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : wiki represents moments in time in the development cycle.
08:11:40 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : difference between “how we did it” versus “how we are doing it now”
08:11:58 From Sharon Chisholm (Amdocs) : Note you can reference a specific version of a confluence page in a link
08:13:48 From Pamela Dragosh : +1 - Policy is reviewing our wikis and will be deleting/consolidating going forward. But it is a lot of work to correlate details on the wiki vs documentation for the release.
08:14:28 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : logical owner for maintenance would be the usecase owner for that piece
08:15:09 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : e2e documentation is needed and we are not there yet.
08:15:52 From Stephen Terrill : We have *started* to discuss in security what security documentation we need e2e / project.
08:18:53 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : Suggested that ONAP has a release manager
08:19:27 From Brian : I thik we dont have a PTL for readthedocs/documentation
08:20:17 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action kennypaul to check around with the LF on how other projects are staffing doc responsibility
08:22:45 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action Eric D to send an email pointing people at the correct doc repos
08:24:25 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action Eric D to put forward an enforcement proposal for the next TSC meeting.
08:30:11 From xinhui li : bye thx

Zoom Attendance Log

Action Items

Kenny Paul TSC ballot to be a single ballot with language to differentiate between reserved/non-reserved seats
Kenny Paul to generate side-by-side sheet for december/jan developer session
Kenny Paul circle back with subcommittees on elections plans
Kenny Paul provide better education on the use of the current groups.io system
Kenny Paul check around with the LF on how other projects are staffing doc responsibility
Eric Debeau send an email pointing people at the correct doc repos
Eric Debeau forward an enforcement proposal for the next TSC meeting

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