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07:01:45 Okay. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Good night, wherever you may be on the globe. Okay.
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07:03:10 Okay, I have quite a few things on the schedule today.
07:03:13 First thing we have Yuma seinnamon from
07:03:19 Who is the treasurer of lfn and the chair of the planning committee.
07:03:26 He'll be sharing a little bit on the spc we'll cover release status normal things about infrastructure ptls.
07:03:42 Some discussion here about rest. Comp. a couple of things on liaison statements.
07:03:47 I'm sorry one liaison statement and then just to maybe get somebody to give us an update on the etsy call from Tuesday.
07:03:58 Enterprise task force. and then our basic administrative anything else that anyone needs to end to the agenda today.
07:04:12 Okay with that, You don't know Would you like to share something?
07:04:17 Or are you just going to speak to it? I would like to share now that I got my thing of mute.
07:04:25 Okay, So if can just quickly i'll all trying okay what stop there?
07:04:36 We go screen share. That looks right. so eric thank you Let's see.
07:04:50 I hope this is, I could share my ipad v.
07:04:54 And cable if I would own an ipad that's good.
07:05:01 But I shall show show these slides. Can you see them?
07:05:05 Yes, sir, they are in presentation mode that is good, and you can hear me.
07:05:08 So, which is good kind of like so hello everybody I'm.
07:05:14 You're just one in them so i'm the current chairperson off of the the strategic planning committee or Spc. as we know it.
07:05:26 I am on doing data in my work for Nokia.
07:05:28 So the Thing is what i'm i've understood that there's been a little bit of discussion that what owner Tsc. T Dtsc.
07:05:38 Should do about the representation in Spc. or should you send one?
07:05:45 And if yes, then what kind of a person and I'm trying to kind of like little bit? Tell you about what Spc.
07:05:53 Is supposed to what it has done, and then we can talk about what kind of person would be the right kind of person to send.
07:05:59 There. Okay, just kind of like with the kind of background.
07:06:07 Why Spc. was created so it's pc was created a couple of years ago.
07:06:15 Were 2,019, if I remember correctly the idea of that was
07:06:24 Basically, we've noticed in the board that, the board. was not having enough time to do strategic work, and in that way prepare for things like the organization strategy and stuff like that.
07:06:38 And hence we thought that we would need a strategy planning committee for it.
07:06:42 In addition, we found the board found at that time that the relationship, and the connection with the different communities, our projects, whatever you want to call them like ownup, and that the Board weren't tight, enough, and one of the reasons for that was just that
07:07:04 the board was not having the time to concentrate on that in adequately, and something needed to be done about that.
07:07:15 And that's. why we created this strategy planning and planning committee and the it's called a planning strategy Planning committee.
07:07:23 So the committee is significant. it's a committee of the board.
07:07:28 I don't need that. but way it's part of the Yeah.
07:07:33 The kind of like elephant governance. The The I idea is basically that the Sbc.
07:07:43 Would create the proposals for budget priorities and for their strategy towards the board and and then the Board would approve them.
07:07:56 The membership is basically we thought that it would be maximum 15 members, so that it would be would continue to be well functional.
07:08:09 But it's basically it is a selection of plotting members potential Golden Silver Board members the Tuck representative.
07:08:21 And then a representative good for you from each tech project.
07:08:25 So the main, the main projects in Lfn at the time, and even today the and those would be real members would who would have a vote on the strategy Planning committee.
07:08:43 There is a possibility also for nonpack attack projects to a point.
07:08:49 One observer each And the the thing is basically also that the governing board members who are not a members of Sbc.
07:09:03 Can always come and observe, we considered and kind of like a process of the for strategy setting where the Espc.
07:09:15 Basically proposes it, and then it is approved by the board.
07:09:22 And then then communicated towards the projects and the attack, and so on, and so on.
07:09:28 What we have done over the years is usually the elephant strategy.
07:09:32 We have worked on projects like the end lots and scalability. We have talked, we have worked on elephant it topics, including budgets, and so on.
07:09:42 Well, the Spc. was also part of main to kind of like working on the direction of the Andocate creation from Pnf Emc ntt.
07:09:57 We have had a project on long-term financial stability of the organization, and then we usually also see if there are any strategic planning committee topics that we should bring to the Board to the governing board meetings and
07:10:14 we usually have a readout from the board meeting results.
07:10:19 Then there have been been smaller and bigger project as well during the years.
07:10:26 The The thing is currently that we are our meeting monthly at this point.
07:10:33 So this is not your most kind of like doesn't need the most work as such.
07:10:42 But of course their hope is that there is time to do work also in between meetings when needed.
07:10:50 Though that recently we haven't handed that many topics on that.
07:10:53 But regardless if the person who oh, that be a good representative in my mind to this is somebody who has interest on the government, governing topics has interest on budgets and the overall direction of Lfn and who can have
07:11:13 been represent well of the the the kind of like oh, own-up view those discussions, and bring the own up of our point of view to that.
07:11:29 So in a way I think i'm describing a lot.
07:11:34 But Allah is now stepping down so. it should be another out of there.
07:11:40 So that is the basically the request of kind of like participation.
07:11:47 I think I, of course, think that the up as one of the major and one of the main projects off elephant should be represented in this, and should have a voice.
07:12:01 I think it would be in your benefit. And and the thing is that basically it would be the kind of like it would be beneficial both for Lfn.
07:12:14 I mean it would, and of ownup to do that that is my small pitch or short pitch, so to say I hope I didn't take too much of your time, and I hope this gave some kind of guidance or direction on what
07:12:30 is what we're looking for. any questions or comments at this point.
07:12:44 So youon Thank you so much to accept or invite and to share more insights about the Sbc.
07:12:51 I think it was instrumental to have a betterness spending, and and understand that the 2,022 goals are probably based on topics that you are sharing on the slide here.
07:13:07 Have you already something more concrete today that you plan this year for this year.
07:13:15 So the thing is, of course, what we want to go through is
07:13:21 I'll look at the the strategy principles for this year have been already set, but that these but there is, of course, the preparation for next year that needs to be done.
07:13:32 The i'm sure that the least I I think that we I actually do have a plan, but I don't remember it by heart now. but then the thing is, of course, there's always something to look at that at it and so on and
07:13:47 how to make the things better. And of course the thing is that Elephant and the Spc.
07:13:53 Would does also welcome Basically, agenda points and discussion points direct from the members of it as well.
07:14:02 So it is not only that what is planned, but what is needed also by the projects or the other Spc members.
07:14:11 So there is always a possibility to to influence that.
07:14:19 What what we kind of like do during the year. Thank you.
07:14:26 Innovative course. and the other thing is, of course, the community.
07:14:32 Self-sufficiency is, of course, a topic that will be major this year.
07:14:37 Yes, and I want to see the opportunity to thank you a lot, John, because you have been highly supported.
07:14:44 You were mentioning it, and fast with your Hindu passenger of time.
07:14:48 We we had to exceed a little bit the budget allocated to ensure that our own upcoming the Enoch equipment, like the the Microsoft as your lab, so want to thank you, because we know, you and and
07:15:04 the Spc Committee. we would not have this type of opportunity to extend or ideal capabilities.
07:15:13 So, team it's a very important role that we should continue as part of our ownup activities, because if we are not there, we are hope we will not be heard anymore.
07:15:28 So. No, I hit the floor to the team because they might have other questions.
07:15:33 But thank you again for all your support. Oh, thank you and thank you for, and I want to thank, of course, allah for her long's service in on the Spc.
07:15:48 As well. So ownup has been always an active member out for the Spc.
07:15:53 Community. Thank you very much. Thank you, and thank you enough to extend your Monday, because we we have not yet in only 5 representative, and we are, we will find, an alternative before the next meeting.
07:16:10 But thank you for still be there, and also for the several years of support that one.
07:16:17 Thank you. Any question from the goal. Ionic. Maybe I missed that in your presentation.
07:16:26 But can you give an estimate of how much effort is required from Spc.
07:16:34 Representative like on top of the meetings like, Do you give homework?
07:16:37 How do you have so I don't want to scare you?
07:16:43 But originally we said that it would be one day a week. but we have never requested actually that much.
07:16:50 It is actually very concentrated in the meetings currently We haven't had a lot of homework at all during this tier years, but but during the time we were doing the first strategy, for instance, then there were a couple of
07:17:05 meetings per week for about a month period or so.
07:17:10 And I think that has been the most extended time that has been requested from the Sbc.
07:17:19 The Spc. community. But I don't usually it is more related to the It's more the meeting itself, and maybe some homework around it, but not much more than that.
07:17:39 Okay, thanks. Yeah, every It's it's it's pretty rare that that we have separate meetings when we were talking a little bit about financial strategy.
07:17:52 There were a couple of We ended up having a couple of basically work group level meetings on that. but it wasn't It's It's It's not a heavy lift. and now, of course, you can you can influence How
07:18:17 much time you contribute to that. and I think that the kind of like the most important thing is to be present, and understanding what is going on.
07:18:31 Not having that is not I I don't think it's good for on a black catherine.
07:18:33 Yet in Kenny. what we could do is to remind people as part of the agenda.
07:18:47 When usually the the meeting is happening on the date and the time every month, and so on. Yes, if we can add again as part of the minutes.
07:18:58 Yeah, the meeting is, yeah. I can do that the meeting is the currently scheduled for the first Monday of the month.
07:19:08 I'm sorry second Monday of the month, my mistake and at occurring at 1,500 Utc.
07:19:25 So I will add that to the minutes so you're typing it in. Thank you. and you don't know if you could just send me a copy of the slides. i'll get them upload of course Okay, if no more questions.
07:19:46 I leave you to your normal programming. And thank you very much for this opportunity to talk to you, and I hope we will be basically that you will find a good person for us. And I, of course, trust that you will thank you very much.
07:20:05 Yeah, Jonah, Thank you so much for carving time out of your schedule.
07:20:10 To attend the meeting, and I will be on some calls with you and then near future. I'm.
07:20:16 Looking forward to that. Okay, Talk to everybody. Talk to you later.
07:20:20 Everybody curious, bye, bye, bye, yeah so theme I don't know if there is anybody just now who have an interest otherwise.
07:20:35 But I would like to suggest is that I will add again the scales to the agenda, and if you are interested to supporters this angle financially, it infrastructure, and more.
07:20:53 I will just ask you to reply to do to these the emails by the 30 of much.
07:21:04 Now we'll add a note thank you maybe I should please send an email to the whole community.
07:21:15 I think that's what I will do so back to Mr.
07:21:27 My bright. Yes, ma'am all right thank you so let's take a look at release status in the agenda you'll find a link to the weekly status update which includes updates not only for jakarta
07:21:52 but also for the Istanbul maintenance, release.
07:21:56 And what's going on right now with our prep for the cone release.
07:22:05 But for today's meeting we're just going to focus on the Chicago release, and today's M.
07:22:16 4 milestone. So as always, I like to start out taking a look at the schedule.
07:22:24 Just to make sure that everyone understands where we're at and so you can see M.
07:22:33 4 here today on the 20 fourth. Our next milestone is the release candidate.
07:22:41 In late April, also, just to remind everyone Tsc.
07:22:50 Approved M. 3, 2 weeks ago, but that was conditioned on completing remaining open release management tasks by M. 4.
07:23:04 In other words, by today. Okay, So let's take a look at how we did so.
07:23:11 There's been a lot of scrambling over the last 2436 h.
07:23:17 When Catherine and I looked at the milestone, status yesterday, it did not look great but there's been a lot of improvement in in the last 18 h, or so so we can see for M.
07:23:35 4 for projects. we're at I guess around 80% still have it.
07:23:50 Looks like, 22 project or sorry, 22 tasks that remain open or in progress for requirement owners.
07:24:03 This frankly looked terrible yesterday, but it's it's much improved today.
07:24:08 So similarly, it looks like we're at about 80%. We still have a number of issues remaining.
07:24:21 I I did want to call out one in particular let's See that asd on boarding is anyone familiar with this particular requirement.
07:24:37 Like Mary, and own this one, maybe a field, c.
07:24:44 Right? Is it a poc i'm not sure that's maybe the specification of is my hand is there sickness.
07:24:59 Yeah, I believe it's a a park yes doesn't look like it's It's identified as specification.
07:25:11 Okay, i'll have to to reach out to marion Okay, to sort of that.
07:25:16 All right. I sent a mail to her yesterday I noticed that she she is active on it. she's been working on some of the other tasks. Yeah, it's it's a man but otherwise Albert. i'm.
07:25:31 Sorry. Yeah, you can if my apologies no problem. Okay.
07:25:39 All right, and also going back to what I said previously about the
07:25:50 M 3 So the the ask for them, the Tsc.
07:25:56 The These projects were given, you know, a couple of weeks of relief to, so that they could complete these tasks by M. 4.
07:26:07 But, as you can see, we still have let's see looks like 4 that are still in the open in progress or reopen state, so we're still trying to get the caught up with M.
07:26:23 3 there. so The The upshot of all of that is that it, does not appear that we are ready for M for approval.
07:26:40 So the you know the next step is to decide. You know how we want to manage that.
07:26:47 Probably the simplest thing is to push m 4 out one week, and for the time being keep the release candidate and sign off at the current dates.
07:27:05 Comments. How do people feel about that proposal What's the What's the percentage of I think it?
07:27:17 Are we above 85%, or not let's see well, the for the project team.
07:27:26 Yeah, for let's see for m 3 and we have still for the entry.
07:27:36 Yeah. Yeah. Okay, it's so much Then right if we have stereo work in
07:27:42 The Nm. 4. I will not suggest exception I think we need to push, as you suggest. Sorry for that.
07:27:48 You don't realize no, not at all yeah it looks like we're at about 90% for m 3, and for M.
07:28:00 4 for the projects. let's see about 83%. any Would you mind to click on the 19?
07:28:39 We need one week. Okay, Thank you. Yeah, I think, particularly with the the Oom Review.
07:28:44 I believe that's probably one of the more time-consuming tasks.
07:28:49 Yes, so you, the team, need to submit what their container because so far it's still in the team in the project team area, and then only O will be able to do what they have to do and then I can see there are a
07:29:07 lot of finishing assignments. You are issues which is not related to the testing and and also documentation.
07:29:16 But there are a little bit too much. So yeah, I think your recommendation seems to be right, even there being a massive.
07:29:26 Honestly, last night it was below 50% for the project, and not so good for the use case.
07:29:32 So I want to give kudos to project team, and also the use case.
07:29:38 Owner leads a lot of happening over the night. but we are no kids here.
07:29:47 So. So he kept next week, and potentially easy, compute the timeline, I calling me the Tsc.
07:29:54 Also feel we need to give one week more as a conclusion, and then shift everything one week as well.
07:30:06 You see any question concern the proposition to shift the full schedule to one week, to give opportunity to for the people to do empty exception and enforce?
07:30:18 Or have you other suggestions to provide to? they do.
07:30:24 We see any impact on the on the end date for the release would be one.
07:30:33 Yes. well, right right now, what i'm recommending is that we we only move the M.
07:30:41 4 milestone. The other thing that's that's going on that I that is mentioned further down on the agenda when we get to the lab.
07:30:53 Is that I think we have a risk to the Jakarta schedule due to the the lab transition.
07:31:02 And we'll be talking about that in a moment but I think that might sort of camouflage any issues related to the delay in the the M.
07:31:21 4 milestone, I think it's a it's a bigger issue than that.
07:31:25 So. So what i'm suggesting is for Now we just move and floor out one week to march 30 first and keep
07:31:38 The release candidate and sign-off. So the same until we know more about the impact of the lab transition that makes sense.
07:31:52 Okay, Yeah, sure. Okay, any other comments kenny do we it's a pound degree.
07:32:04 That, or I I think we can work. Yeah, I think we can do a pound degree, and what i'm going to put is that the Jakarta schedule?
07:32:14 For m 4 is to be moved to march 30 first, right, and and no other milestones changed.
07:32:25 Okay, Okay, y'all have a few seconds before I drop that into the minutes blank.
07:32:39 All right, Thank you. Any other questions related to release as I said, If you missed the release update email yesterday.
07:32:56 There's a link there. in the Agenda has some additional information about the Istanbul maintenance and cone.
07:33:06 Thank you. the they become i'm sorry to go back to you? I know it was not in somehow in the agenda do we discuss yesterday?
07:33:28 I think 4 dimensional seeds. Then look at it and and and update the ticket, so can we try to make?
07:33:43 Can we try with with the agreement of stomach? Because I want to be sure that Toma is convertible?
07:33:48 Can we make an attempt to officialize the man on release?
07:33:53 On the 20 eighth, or every steel item that i've missed, because I know that then address the brokers we need a, and so much is normally need to give us off green line.
07:34:07 So. But can we try to target, based on where we are?
07:34:11 At the Ppl. discussion to see if we can close the man and release and make it official.
07:34:19 By Monday after the Pdf. discussion yeah that was Thomas on the call doesn't look like it.
07:34:36 Yeah, I believe that this issue, doc, 7 8 4 is basically pending these other 2 issues.
07:34:46 I don't think that there are any other dependencies So I think if we could close these 2, then I think I don't want to speak for Thomas, but I I believe that's all he was waiting for Yeah, I think so.
07:35:01 Too, I'm glad. Yeah, Okay, I think that would be the yeah, the main issue.
07:35:08 Thank you, masks to quarrel, and if Powell is not, there may have to quiz.
07:35:16 There. Amy. There you a mask, Amy.
07:35:23 If power is not on the call to try to review the the feedback on 32, and and 1,670 prior of the Ptl.
07:35:37 Call because I really believe we can officialize it but I need to have the green line of puma for sure and also security happy.
07:35:49 But please don't add any scope any contain let's just complete it.
07:35:55 Thank you. yes, Catherine, Oh, i'll come to I'll look at these 2.
07:36:05 I'll look at the 2 the the 2 jeres for Ccsdk and Sdnc.
07:36:10 And see if they're ready to close it looks like it looks like dams.
07:36:17 It looks like dams is submitted, and it also looks like Sdn C.
07:36:21 Is delivered so i'm not sure what the issue is so let me go and look at those but the Toothy Fair.
07:36:31 We have been working this week, whatever, so that's why I wanted to bring that?
07:36:37 Because I understand that maybe people have not seen the evolution of particular, because they have been order of a challenge to work.
07:36:48 But know that I believe. perhaps I think we have one person close to getting done, and I would like to be 100 on Monday.
07:36:58 Thank you. Okay, we'll find up on the ptl call on Monday.
07:37:09 Thanks, Amy, back to you kenny Oh, Kidoki Looks like it's being shared Okay, onto revenge, Kevin, You've got any or or jess you got any issues that need to get brought
07:37:48 up, not from my side. Can I? Thank you. Okay. I do have a question you might be able to answer.
07:38:04 I see that that folks have recently been asking for access to the own app org on Github in order to run.
07:38:19 I guess some linting programs. The The question that I have that that might be worth a a quick chat about here is, what What does that mean in the context of Github being a mirror?
07:38:38 For us rather than the actual repos. So when somebody asks to be added to the github, or what does that exactly mean in a known app context for the lending purposes?
07:38:58 They probably need just read access to the code so they probably don't.
07:39:08 It doesn't matter to them if if the mirror if the Github is a mirror.
07:39:13 It's just a it's just mirroring the code from Gary.
07:39:16 They they're probably just scanning the code as is But yeah, we definitely need to make that remark that there there's no possibility for them to push pull requests into into our github. because as soon as I mean they're they're
07:39:36 never gonna get processed since the mirror once every time it runs, you basically overrides whatever has been there.
07:39:45 And to basically be on par with what is in Garrett.
07:39:51 But i've seen i've seen those requests before, and I think they're just basically scanning the read-only code.
07:40:00 So it that access is acceptable for what they want. Okay, and just put a quick note on that.
07:40:12 Thank you. and and they're doing the right thing I mean contacting us via tickets, requesting the access is the right way to go. and also for people that are tracking a son or cloud. they definitely need the github access
07:40:30 because Sonor Cloud manages the access through the github account. So if they don't want it for the linking the linking a product that they're using, they probably might want it for using sonner.
07:41:05 Okay, Okay, Doak. Thank you. Anything else for revenge.
07:41:18 Okay, migration status upcoming changes. I assume that this was added with relationship to the to the lab. Sorry, Kenny.
07:41:41 Is that you're talking about the risk to the release schedule?
07:41:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that's just the point that I was making earlier.
07:41:50 Oh, okay, I yeah, I didn't know if it was if it was something different or or that.
07:41:59 Okay, yeah, no. just just the same point I was making. I just want the Tsc.
07:42:02 To be aware that you know, depending on how the transition works out.
07:42:10 Yeah, we we potentially have a risk to the schedule.
07:42:15 So I would like to discuss a little bit. This I understand why you create it as a risk.
07:42:25 But I wanted to go couple of questions to the the community here.
07:42:31 So This lab originally was used by the projecting to do the pairwise system right.
07:42:44 This lab was also used as an extension extension. for the integration team, and maybe for all the stuff that I'm not aware of.
07:42:55 Okay, so, and we'll start with the easiest which is also on my critical past as well.
07:43:04 So for the integration team. I don't know if we have Michael on the call.
07:43:10 So maybe I will ask the question to embrace of in order to perform the integration activities for the release.
07:43:20 I understand we have still undercoat the oven lack of one slap.
07:43:25 We have the Dt. lab. we have the Microsoft as your lab.
07:43:31 We have other vendor labs A. So do you see a concern.
07:43:41 I agree with regards to jakarta with people with regards to Jakara.
07:43:47 I I personally don't see that at the moment but of course I have not asked at the moment. me.
07:43:56 How about that? So But I guess we are still safe, but I think it gets closer than when we come to next relief to and so on.
07:44:06 Yeah, So for me, and you confirm my view.
07:44:11 But I wanted to validate I think we are it's undercoat for jacketta.
07:44:16 But it's will impact definitely the next one right from an integration perspective.
07:44:22 So can we come forward on Monday during the ptl code. So that's already one question.
07:44:29 If can. You can talk, Andrea believe, when I give you more time to confirm with Michael, I think, for the integration lab. we are safe on the catastrophe, but we might be in big permanent for for the coon readings
07:44:41 But let's Let's fix one issue at a time right? and of course, the question I hate to everybody I want to repeat what has been cascade by Kingny by David here. who so to the teacher call anybody if something on the
07:45:00 Cuban intel lab a winner lab, A. Do your data bucket because April first, and maybe put that on the notes as well.
07:45:12 There will be no more. we see your life. so. April First on cry is game over.
07:45:18 We are still one week to do backup critical data, critical configuration.
07:45:25 After that it's game over, I know Bob is not on this bridge, but I will sending a man to Bob, and maybe then you can, Helena, because, thank you, because he has been one.
07:45:39 She posted to give us a new lab, and suddenly it has been really supported into internally to win river.
07:45:47 To ensure. we have an extension extension until April.
07:45:50 The first, but after April first Don't cry there will be no magic.
07:45:56 Everything will disappear. So data need to be back up if it is important.
07:46:00 No, let's tackle the second difficult class which is where I have a concern.
07:46:06 This lab. as I said, one used by the Pts. I know that working closely with some use case owner again.
07:46:16 Some team might have nintendo internal lab validate the use case project team use, maybe.
07:46:26 Also inter 9 lab to their company to validate their then
07:46:33 Application. but That's not the case of everybody so do we know today the development team, who are no more is but who will face an issue after April first.
07:46:51 All does this team were relying on Intel Lab.
07:46:56 I have already migrated, or are facing issue to migrate.
07:47:00 No, I make a post by keeping myself. Does any project team which, silly on the wind Liberal Lab have a concern at this stage or not?
07:47:24 Hey, katherine this vj so we've been using the intel for quite some time now, and we pretty much for some of the development activities of the testing pairwise and that's also a lab where other community members who don't
07:47:37 have an independent lab by themselves. We share the same lab instances and the went to a tenant as first in migration to unh.
07:47:47 I've already started on that so it's going well so I did migrate at least one it's set up, and I mean I was able to bring it up on the unh.
07:47:55 Lab. So i'm still working through the other one but I should be able to complete it by next week.
07:48:01 So in terms of backup. I think we already, taken care of that. so I don't see a immigrants given how things have gone.
07:48:08 This last one. we had help from Steven and Okay, So we I was over to successfully bring up at least part of the instance and Unh, so we can continue work once whenever a goes down.
07:48:23 Thank you. We did you everything under control, I don't see hockey on the call, but we have liam for the policy team, liam.
07:48:35 I know that cookie was also concerned. using it how do you feel yeah, he's he's used it now and he's he's he's happy that we that that we have an environment operating.
07:48:52 So I think next week, or he's planning he has he's planning to transfer this stuff over from the Wind River lab, and the week after that we'll start her pay voice testing he did say that he did say that
07:49:04 the that we have one tenant on there and that we didn't have that much resources, because I didn't get the impression it was a huge issue.
07:49:12 So. I think, the policy point of view I'm quite happy with the situation.
07:49:20 But all thanks to Hawaii, who's doing an excellent job there.
07:49:22 So he's done everything really. So we also. Then He also then circulated some some information at our weekly meeting yesterday about getting accounts there that we need that you need to
07:49:39 Let me just look up my notes here. Yeah, just you have to put in a ticket on open labs to get access to that to the to the library, or to use access to the VPN.
07:49:48 So I actually haven't done that myself. yes, or yet. But I guess that's that's that information is already there.
07:49:54 Okay, Thank you, liam for the update hook. Anybody any other project team?
07:50:02 See it doesn't mean there is no risk but any project team is concerned at this stage, or you have a plan either to use your internal company lab either to work with the use case, lead with another lab or in all everything is okay?
07:50:21 Because the migration to the win fever of new lab is okay.
07:50:32 Given issue is the right time to raise. and I know we don't have all the project team and use Case lead on the call, so I will give an action to Alla.
07:50:41 But Allah and t-mo can you validate with your use, case, lead.
07:50:49 They don't have any dependency or concern about the the Windsiver lab, because I want to be sure that the use case lead is a aware.
07:50:59 Then. David, it sounds that we are okay. Project at time.
07:51:03 It does not mean it will give our code yeah more soon after and again to the Pts: right and it Yeah. broke up a little bit there. But I I think you were saying to bring it up on the Ptl.
07:51:18 Meeting. Yeah, Yeah. yeah. and I I I may have misunderstood
07:51:26 The impact. I I thought that the impact would be to Jakarta, but I I may have misunderstood that.
07:51:33 So. Anyway, we'll explore that more on the ptl meeting on Monday.
07:51:38 Thank you, David, and I don't think you have misunderstood, I think, before having the lab put the functioning people we are concerned.
07:51:46 No, we have the lab we need to act on it.
07:51:51 But so it was good that you bring here honestly so you you did great.
07:51:56 But let's keep going and alert you know if you don't mind in from the Us.
07:52:04 Escape owner to save their use, case, configuration data whatever.
07:52:11 Because April first will be gave over, and then, unsure that they have allowed to test their use case.
07:52:19 Otherwise we have an issue all right back to you, Kenny, and maybe we would just a couple of great people who have been with us several years.
07:52:32 We have been changing also. the way of ownup is perceived.
07:52:38 Today we have a lot of people who are starting new endeavor, and we just want to.
07:52:45 Thanks. the Dc commitor of Ccsdk and Sdc.
07:52:50 Committers for all the work they've been doing thank you to Joanna.
07:52:55 But then young, on this son, Christopher Shui and Iana, for who what they have been doing, Some of them are still part of Una community, working on something else for the orders This is best.
07:53:09 Wishes, and thank you on the art of the product team and the pse
07:53:17 Just a quick note while I was typing the the The lab planning meeting unfortunately follows the Tsc. So today we will.
07:53:29 We will be discussing the general communications that will be sending out to the community, and and that aspect of it, so that that you should see something coming out this afternoon on on that to the general. population.
07:53:53 Thank you, Kenny. all right. So next we have a readout from Syria about it.
07:54:06 Experience about Gidlap and Microsoft a year but we have O. M.
07:54:12 At the topics today. Because, you want to bring an update from what has been discussed at the Pta.
07:54:21 Call the fact that we we see when stepping down and then what are the next step?
07:54:40 There's an awful lot of silence for something that I think is relatively important.
07:54:48 But I don't think that people people understand what what's what they expect.
07:54:53 So So first of all let's freak out so since i've been after driving more than a year the o project.
07:55:03 We'll give us a redo he decided to step down to umbrella.
07:55:09 New activities within his company. As you know, a lot of work have been made over the past years to have the whole business to offer the pick and shoes capabilities of Om.
07:55:23 To standardize the end shaft. Of course, all the project team.
07:55:28 I I understand that there was only one commitment.
07:55:35 For the name like which was left So the problem that we have within, in their other committers that we can promote. and I don't know if Silver or Edie can answer this, even if even if we do so, if there are, somebody who
07:55:57 is about to step up and take the lead. Do we need to think differently?
07:56:05 For the future after the Jacques Tahiti, how we maintain the artifact, and more that are consumed by the projects, and also for the deployments.
07:56:20 So I I don't see someone on the call today but from the committer perspective myself, and I think Dan Timothy, I've been promoted as committer.
07:56:33 I think there might be one other from from Esd also, and that so there will be 4, including Jack Lucas, essentially.
07:56:41 But I don't think that there's any nomination for Ptl at present across the world piazza and congratulations.
07:56:54 I have missed an email about this. So I apologize.
07:56:57 I know was some work to be done, so maybe we should capture that.
07:57:01 We have additional committers, and congratulate you.
07:57:08 Project how you set yourself done, and I think I need the third one.
07:57:12 Well, Jack, Lucas is currently all This is the dealer existing there.
07:57:18 Okay, yes, but I think it's gathered Gareth Roper, that this has been of rights yet.
07:57:30 Candidate for for committee has been there it's been sort of has been talking about for some time.
07:57:43 It's just an unbelievable so just say that the input of Jama is not yet updated by.
07:57:49 So it's Still, I think no it still pays to panic.
07:57:52 Yeah, yeah, to just on and on another not like well it's actually related to our web.
07:58:01 They are! Silver mentioned. The vast majority of his time was taken up maintaining the the gates.
07:58:09 So I I don't like in terms of ptl responsibilities.
07:58:13 I don't think it's a very heavy load but the The main book of the work is maintaining the gating systems, so I suggested to, so I know the integration team have quite a heavy workload already.
07:58:28 But essentially their weekly and daily gates are, the weekly daily setups will be dissimilar to the gates.
07:58:44 So I suggested that maybe we could pull resources and maybe maintain the gates along with some of the integration team.
07:58:52 I know Mihal me. I was looking to at Gates in the Unh lab and or the gating system.
07:58:59 Unh. So if that was done, that would that would alleviate some of the the problems that you know.
07:59:06 With the orange, the orange resources being being removed in common releases.
07:59:15 But that's just a suggestion I don't know if it's turning from the integration team here, and I would.
07:59:20 I don't want to be couldn't work on them but it would make sense to me.
07:59:25 Some some people from that project, and also existing all the computers could put 2 resources on.
07:59:32 And maybe yeah, , , Okay, I don't know understood like, just in terms of the yeah, I think I think that like the only the only the main on the try.
07:59:44 And say the main so for for commits to be merged. No.
07:59:51 When essentially the gates control to to the craters, we what gets merged or not.
07:59:57 So if they were maintained and kept running and I think that that project wouldn't go into maintenance mode, or I don't know kind of project live without ptl I don't know I I think that it's a
08:00:13 big. ask for someone to step up and take the ptl role. sort of try to fill Silvan's shoes.
08:00:19 So if we can do this kind of unburdened role, maybe that that will pave the way.
08:00:26 But I still think that we need to have a Ptl.
08:00:37 And the position, my mean and and with help from new committers, maybe it can.
08:00:46 We can. we can get someone to to take that role just I don't say that's what we had to do right.
08:01:02 I was just trying to capture the proposition. to see if it makes sense. so to merge the activities, and if it doesn't mean based on what you said, we need to do everything.
08:01:18 Oh, Jacques, it sounds like there is some automation which will definitely help on the own side.
08:01:27 But there are some management to to focus on and that's probably where we
08:01:40 We need to invest the other, so that I had to engage the the proposition was potentially to ask one committers per project theme to be part of this new group.
08:01:52 So we split the load, and at the same time the project team feel integrated, because at the end we are managing the the artifact of their project.
08:02:07 So sure. yeah, I don't want I don't want to.
08:02:12 I don't want to speak for me hell or the integration projects but 2 from from my perspective.
08:02:17 That kind of makes sense that the date they would have, they would have a fair bit of background knowledge on things like the smoke use cases.
08:02:26 The you know, the testing of the certificates, the node ports, etc.
08:02:31 All that stuff that the kids do. But Yeah, again. I don't want speak for for the integration team.
08:02:39 So i'm sorry i'm yes, yes, so I'm with Lucifer on this and these chains, and so on.
08:02:53 And i'm using the same approach in our dt tap and so on.
08:02:57 And I think also me how is now handy? or I handed it over also to Miho, and he is also maintaining it.
08:03:02 I think I would also agree that we that the integration sheet team has should.
08:03:09 Let's say, yeah, be the main maintainer of investigating and the daily chain systems, because they are basically the same.
08:03:20 Have the same basis actually so, and the so that the O. M.
08:03:25 Team can fully concentrate on in the improvement of the home charts.
08:03:28 That would be the best way to do yeah that's also my opinion to just in relation. So just Sammy related.
08:03:36 But I noticed this on maintained project activity task force.
08:03:41 And this suggests I just suggested that maybe af would be a good candidate to remove that dependency in future releases like without without people actively working in.
08:03:52 O. M. that can't happen you know so I think there needs to be, whether there's additional resources needed or more people needed in that scenario.
08:04:00 But yeah, it kind of ties into the fact, that o m can't go into maintenance mode in my opinion.
08:04:06 I don't know no that's not possible that's right yeah.
08:04:09 It's impossible. i'm sure I can we can extend the scope of om integration team like this.
08:04:18 I like the idea. By the way, I am in favor But I don't want that you over commit for Michael. but on the right you are there. so somehow you can support the Id globally, whatever the name of the team we have Now
08:04:36 it is clear that we have the different project team working on the the use case, city announcements fixing security.
08:04:45 Then it seems like we need to have a group of people with supporting the former integration.
08:04:52 Dman, Ow. who will work on the deployment and the testing activities and potentially services. A.
08:05:02 F. it's a common services in the sense that everybody is using it.
08:05:09 But we don't ever lead a little bit like we did the the old parents so.
08:05:16 If we if the community agreed to have a a group of people like this.
08:05:24 And so that's why was interesting we need to notify one person.
08:05:29 It's not necessarily a full-time job, but one person which is not necessarily the Ptl.
08:05:35 I think we know what Ptl is already overloaded.
08:05:38 But one person from the project team who could also work closely with the new integration team or gating team, or whoever we call them, right.
08:05:50 Of Opahma 19, we can. We can also call them, or operational team of owner, population and team.
08:05:58 I think that's the next step and it seems that based on already on the feedback from this call.
08:06:08 This is the the way of to move forward but again.
08:06:12 We don't have all the project team on this call I think we need to continue the discussion. But I have positive feeling based on what you share, and and probably what spikes are.
08:06:26 Tell us today what Andreas, you also think as well.
08:06:29 And the fact that you are not on your own. But we have a project Pain Lpu.
08:06:36 That might be the mitigated plan. Would you like to continue the discussion on the Pcl.
08:06:43 Call, or is there anything from anybody to bring on the table that we have not been thinking yet?
08:06:55 This is great, all but Catherine. 1 point which I want to get is the the poc which we started with service mesh right on Oa.
08:07:02 Perhaps there were a lot of hopes on that and there was a lot of discussions about that fioc. also.
08:07:09 Maybe it's time to do also rethink of how to proceed on the Poc 2, because that will have a very good voltage for what we are both from cloud native, perspective I mean improvement of one app as a clone native
08:07:19 platform, and also the kind of leverage field we're getting we'll be getting from the Poc. the issue, and we see the people working on the I don't decide that there is also in Boston. So that's the point which I want
08:07:40 to make. If we are trying to concentrate on the oem Fisher, I would rather say like this is what we had discussed.
08:07:45 Sylvan, also Syrian, Me and Christopher had discussed this before.
08:07:48 Most of the photo of Syria was going to creating, and the time for the Poc was not done.
08:07:53 So I would rather I mean. What I was trying to say is to add to what Ngos is saying.
08:07:57 Perhaps a Vm. team can actually concert on those features, and other teams can actually support in the other part of Yes, I agree as well.
08:08:05 So I'm I'm actually actively also working also in Dt.
08:08:09 On the service mesh implementation and checking that at the moment even. And I think that we have on on your own side to concentrate on this, especially if we want to get rid of aaf.
08:08:20 And so on. one thing we have to do and force, if definitely so, get rid of A. F.
08:08:26 Get rid of Msb. These are the stuff we should force and do this We can only gain, I guess, with more effort on the on the on the service mesh Exactly.
08:08:38 And so life. From this we also get a lot of other advantages. That sidecar is surely when I leverage From what we are trying to do, I mean, we there'll be a lot of higher advantage from what we are talking about that
08:08:48 authentication operation is going to improve. Yeah, the security is going to improve by a lot. So all the features will be coming with the 7 package and Andreas.
08:08:56 If we are okay, maybe I can also render my help on that I'm also looking forward to have what contribution I can do for that.
08:09:02 Perhaps we can catch on that to offline, and we can discuss how to proceed.
08:09:06 Yeah, definitely. So my 2 sons are Catherine. Surely the service mesh Poc will take great at at value for one app.
08:09:18 Perhaps we can check, maybe on Ptl call again. not right now as to how we can improve it.
08:09:23 The reason why i'm getting it right now is because that has been given the low part.
08:09:30 I know the situation has been changed from what we were for one year before, but we should not forget it.
08:09:33 That's the only point I want to I want to just push upon the thing that we should not forget that key key feature which might be bring great value to us right.
08:09:42 And in appreciate your thinking for what right Maria and tissue did.
08:09:49 The only thing we need to be sure let's at least plan a kind of transformation. Yes, meaning by let's first focus about the minimum wikile to survive after silver, right? right? when we have act of silver life under control we
08:10:11 can do anything you want. If we have people who are interested and you should promote, you should use the Ptl call You should use the sitcom.
08:10:23 You should use the Tc. to promote what will be your next public?
08:10:30 But please just start with a quick minimum that we need.
08:10:34 But it's important to continue to think for work with Id like service machines on.
08:10:40 But let's unsure the the basic are working before we overload you, and then we we not say we die, But we we we collapse, that's for sure.
08:10:53 See, i'm not new to an app and we have been doing a lot of stuffing on that. that's for sure I to play, and I agree with you the point which i'm trying to make is also something that you know we
08:11:02 have lot to do with on app I mean the point which I'm. trying to get again on on on the current meeting of Tsc.
08:11:08 Where we have to discuss. what is the future? One thing is for sure: O. M.
08:11:11 Is not forgetting alone. Right, O. M. is actually beyond great.
08:11:14 So. in short, what I want to say simple is that we need to think of the base in which we can improve.
08:11:21 Om. and also take it to next step. Getting is surely one of the as we have to talk about.
08:11:24 But that's not the only aspect of oem but o M.
08:11:28 Is beyond it. so let's think of the ways in which we can leverage it and take it forward and i'm with you.
08:11:34 Yes, we will surely require to replace what's even has burning. That's a big loss.
08:11:39 We hope we can meet and join us in future But surely we have to think of how to proceed, for the rows. right?
08:11:49 That's it. If i'm listening to you yes so on that point, As I was saying, there are a lot of features which Om has to do one of the main service mesh out for there are other improvements also which we have to do
08:12:01 like the English policy which we were trying to introduce for all the security reasons. the https calls there are other features also.
08:12:08 Let's not list of them, but yeah let's take step by step.
08:12:12 Maybe I try to model, Then surely try to take up one by one based on the feasibility.
08:12:18 And, as you said, Yes, let's also see what people have to contribute into those aspects also. and it's A.
08:12:23 This is a too much for this specific topic here in Tsc. Call.
08:12:28 We will surely take up as a part of the Ptl call, and maybe we will get back to you.
08:12:32 Maybe me and Andreas can catch up on this and get back to that with articles.
08:12:35 But something which is more pragmatic. Yep: Yep, I think so.
08:12:44 Yeah. consentious. just Catherine for confirmation.
08:12:51 I just got to reply from my me how that the Jakarta at least integration labs are fine for for
08:13:02 So with the current with the current apps. I think we are fine for Jakarta definitely, and and he also sees the risk with the lack of people for the maintaining the pipelines.
08:13:12 So that is an issue. We have to check out definitely just integration team.
08:13:17 That's that's right yeah yeah so that's Why, I honestly, I love when you all of you provide s feedback at this forward thinking.
08:13:29 But sometime i'm back to just the execution so I need to slow you down.
08:13:35 But you, you what we lose, and then we move one step forward.
08:13:43 So. and I i'm sure when we are motivated.
08:13:50 We clean Mundains, and please keep us informed about your challenge.
08:13:55 You have good stories, because that's important for the Tsc.
08:13:58 Not only for me, but for everybody who matter about who take care of our own.
08:14:04 Thank you so much, So confer is so so, Catherine, I see that you typed confirmed in their for what address just mentioned. verifying that it was confirmed that no impact. for Jakarta.
08:14:25 Yes, Okay, thank you. I just want to make sure that that that piece got in there.
08:14:31 I'm sorry Kenyan multitasking i'm listening to you.
08:14:34 I'm singing for what Well, well everybody here knows that I can't talk and type at the same time.
08:14:42 So well didn't We say that we want to discuss that further at the Ptl meeting on Monday isn't it a little early to make that watchman.
08:14:51 That that was. for in the context of integration, Okay, but for the pitl it is still, too.
08:14:59 Maybe we need to have a new art you can eat pt but in integration team are green, and we'll help a little bit of kenny with cracking this action for the project. team.
08:15:20 Where are we today, David? I. And then would you like to?
08:15:32 There have been some great discussion with open daylight and the ownup community.
08:15:36 Would you like to bring some output about the challenge that you see?
08:15:44 And potentially I alternative solution, or maybe not. No solution.
08:15:48 Yet we are at the and it's a ptl update so I would leave it, and then i'll i'll defer to Dan if he's available.
08:16:02 I can speak to it. If Dan is not available. Okay, Okay, I I don't see Dan on the call.
08:16:12 So yeah, dan's the expert here but i'll i'll try and summarize it as I understand it.
08:16:20 So Dan has had a concern for some time about the coordination between own app and open daylight, because he gets put into this position every release where the release of open daylight sort of occurs almost randomly around the own app
08:16:45 schedule. and so, you know, sometimes he's put in the position where he needs to change.
08:16:55 You know, 2 releases of open datalight or the release is available.
08:17:03 But he he only has, you know, a week or 2 to complete the integration.
08:17:08 And so we. The The request from Dan, was that, you know, if we could get better aligned with open daylight, then you know, we could have a little more predictable and manageable integration.
08:17:26 And so, as you may know, there's a monthly open daylight, own app synchronization call, and, as Casey has pointed out, unfortunately, that call has not been very well attended the last year 18 months so we went ahead.
08:17:47 And took it advantage of that meeting Slot, and got together a couple of weeks ago, and I produced a a proposed schedule for cone.
08:18:06 And though the daylight team had their schedule for the sulfur and clean releases, and so Dan's goal is to have a release available by at least one month prior to the own app M.
08:18:27 3 milestone and and and comparing the the 2 release schedules The conclusion was that, that, is very doable.
08:18:38 So dance Plan is to do an internal integration of the sulfur release, and then from that move to chlorine for to release with on app cone the end of this year if that's if that's
08:19:08 a problem we we all agreed that the fallback position would be that we would release with Sulfur.
08:19:19 Now one potential challenge to that is that the chlorine release is adopting a formal specification for restaurant, and I guess and this is where I really need Dan's expertise.
08:19:43 But and previously, I guess the the requirements around restaurants were more informal.
08:19:53 And but but for chlorine they're adopting a formal specification, and and Dan said that he knew that was coming.
08:20:01 But he didn't know exactly what release that would happen with and it turns out that's going to be chlorine, and Dan is anticipating that that is going to be a challenge for integration.
08:20:16 So what we agreed to do going forward is that Dan took an action item to bring this issue up with the with the architectural subcommittee, and I don't know if chuck or or anyone from the architectural
08:20:37 subcommittee is on the call I haven't seen an update recently.
08:20:44 Whether that discussion is happened or not. Can anyone comment on that?
08:20:53 They did they on. So I'm sorry what was the topic I yeah restaurant in open daylight Chlorine is adopting formal specification, and Dan is anticipating that that is going to be a difficult integration and he was going to bring
08:21:14 that up up to the architectural subcommittee and I wasn't sure whether that had happened yet or not.
08:21:22 Yeah, so No, I got it. thank you no the it's the discussion has taken place, and but then has not scheduled the architecture review yet. But i'm pretty sure he's he will shortly Okay, do you agree with
08:21:38 Dan's assessment that that's going to be a challenge. Well, I mean, he's the expert. right? So when Dan says it's going to be a challenge I have to I have to believe it will be Okay, right?
08:21:53 So yeah, I agree. Yeah, So I will. I will. I will. I will have a second.
08:21:58 My discussion with them, and see when he's ready present it to the architecture subcommittee, and we'll go ahead and schedule time for it.
08:22:08 Okay, all right, thank you So that's that's been going on.
08:22:14 So I just wanted to make the tsc aware that that is coming up for the the cone release, and also we're planning in in terms of this relationship with open daylight i'm planning to continue this process that you know i'm
08:22:33 going to, you know, project a or propose a release plan, and then get together with open daylight.
08:22:44 In that Odl own app sync meeting to compare schedules and make sure that we're aligning on app m 3, so that Dan has plenty of time to complete the integration for for every release.
08:23:00 So that's going to be an ongoing process and Incidentally, if you're interested in looking at the cone release schedule proposal.
08:23:11 If you access the the weekly report there's a link at the top of the page.
08:23:26 In the release management section there's a link in that email to the proposed cone release schedule.
08:23:33 And I and I imagine that we'll we will be scheduling that for a vote soon but feel free to review it and provide any feedback that you have any questions.
08:23:49 No, I just want to add an action item see if you don't mind so so, Shaker.
08:23:54 I know this is really one of your domain of expertise.
08:23:58 Since many years. And would you mind to follow up with done, and potentially I will do as well, and see if there is anything we can do to helping and tell us so.
08:24:14 If it is the life, it is the life. And you see what I mean.
08:24:16 Would you mind to follow up on on this concert no i'll definitely.
08:24:21 Talk again. you know I reach out to him and i'll see if he can.
08:24:25 If we can have a discussion in a formal or informal next week's call to get the process coming Thanks. Bill.
08:24:36 Checker. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, we'll take a look at so I know we have only 6 min left.
08:24:52 I don't think we will have the time to give the floor to Macness to tell us information about Etsy.
08:25:05 I think we will go fast because you you need a vote from the pse.
08:25:09 Jenny. yes, looking for a vote from the Tsc.
08:25:14 On the but would find before we both vote. Would you mind to click on the link?
08:25:23 Because I forget to send my email. I have some question. that I want to be sure it is cover and a macologize.
08:25:33 I should send an email with my my question I don't think it would, in fact, drastically the vote it's more abundant that I had in mind.
08:25:44 So I would. so let me go back on my note.
08:25:51 I have some question because just to be sure, they are budgets.
08:25:58 The budget is home from 12 months per year, 12 months per year of all of them.
08:26:06 The 5 years contribution, of course. And then you say community work and demo awards.
08:26:15 Will it be your kind of repository batch for the the the committee, our and the demo award?
08:26:25 Or the does it mean? It starts with the istanbula works as an example?
08:26:32 No, it's this, this this would cover this would cover last year, only last year.
08:26:39 Okay, and then, and and then will have conversations about whether it can go back further.
08:26:48 That's a that's an ongoing conversation Okay, So it means if we take a vote today, these topics, because I get also questionable that if we cannot rework because it was probably a huge accomplishment in
08:27:04 the past. Okay, So maybe we can put a note to say that community demo work might be.
08:27:14 What about you? You You hide it. But put a note that we focus on our work, starting in 2,020, recognizing 2,021, but still accessing backward awards.
08:27:29 Okay, so that's one then I just wanted to be sure that under the own lead we cover a so they were.
08:27:46 They were So when we say projects with committee lead it's not the Ptn.
08:27:51 It's really a subcommittee okay, so maybe we should remove the work project. it's calm.
08:28:02 It's modeling its architecture and hequarters and I hope I don't forget one group I feel bad if I do.
08:28:09 And then when we see other goal I think I want to peel up off community business, right?
08:28:22 We have a well-defined community on the name of Mac News for everything about Threegp.
08:28:32 We might see if we i'm sure with the objective of this year.
08:28:37 We will add some khan yism because it's strategic for us.
08:28:43 We might have at sea. This would like to ensure that we we include the lead zone, or at least that when we say all the whole, what does it mean?
08:28:54 When do we need to define this whole? but definitely? I would suggest to add the reason.
08:29:01 And then when I finished, so I let you. and then the last thinking in on top of the zoom on top of the Sip Committee, we are representative.
08:29:13 An example will be Spc. the herposome, the owner community outside the boundaries.
08:29:19 For me. They are taking a leader all through supporting some committee he wouldn't wouldn't that fall under similar role.
08:29:29 Yes, but the problem is not spelled out so when we see them in a whole.
08:29:34 We don't know what We say or maybe it's so use, and it's only me. but I want to be sure that people knows what it means. Spc.
08:29:45 It's it's it's should be in this category.
08:29:48 Mac should be nestakia de gore.
08:29:56 See what I know that should be in this category.
08:30:01 One was not headed to the tax, too, maybe what I say it's It's look, Mississippi.
08:30:09 But I think when we spell it old sometimes is better i'll give some examples, I don't know Black Muck Sbc.
08:30:31 And you find, forget, some so it's not taxed representative of the company.
08:30:35 It's on a ground I mean this is this is own app yes, exactly.
08:30:43 Exactly. Yeah, because we will not reward all the company with.
08:30:48 There is there is at at the Lfn. level. Members of the tack are getting a badge for that.
08:31:01 So does it make sense for us than to have a duplicate batch?
08:31:09 Yes, because a maximum that is, from a company necessary, not focus on on up.
08:31:16 And I want to Okay, that's very that's fair on your own side, and that's it. that's what my comments and my apologize. my comments was on paper, but not yet on an electronic way.
08:31:37 So I could not bring that earlier. but I'm Glad that you have captured it.
08:31:42 Hello! comment Catherine Louisiana. Sure. So on we have.
08:31:49 We have this I mean I didn't actually read this that carefully.
08:31:52 But since you're this we we talk about projects and ptls, just get all from yeah, yeah, and often we also bring in use case slaves and requirement orers and lump them all together.
08:32:08 But I think it's it's a different role and I don't know if I just wanted to raise the issue is so.
08:32:15 People who do that. but they are not classic Ptl.
08:32:19 So even if if you look at, if you look at the process, David follows.
08:32:25 That is, there are these requirement owners, and there are other.
08:32:27 The project needs. so people who shackle the whole use case and all that going to there, they would It would be considered under the ppo, that part, or the under the lead return it's an excellent point, and actually I miss
08:32:49 this. all I is very important. So can we have an additional batch for you things, or do we need to put them under some some year, or or or modified?
08:33:05 So it it gets them. Perhaps we can have one patch for function requirements and use test improvements that' be better.
08:33:22 Excellent point, and thank you so much from here I could see.
08:33:33 Oh, use his leader. Okay, when I say use case it's it's include use, case feature, spec right your function feature, because the function feature use case.
08:34:01 Yeah, testability also right, that's yeah this thing right you get to see it like, Yeah, I would understand there are people who might, you know, really contribute to testing, and they don't fit any other category and have already award for the
08:34:24 faster but tester what do we mean is Katherine, that the integration testing is one thing. But even project improving the project level testing also.
08:34:33 And that's reason i'm saying function feature implement virtual nature can be.
08:34:39 Yes, but we have already an award to reward people from the project team who are doing significant improvement.
08:34:47 So there will fall on the ownup committee award winner.
08:34:51 Okay, So you're, seeing apart from that badging will be covering the other categories, correct the community works.
08:34:58 If you look at the award there. Yeah, of course there is one.
08:35:01 There is one for the testing. Also it leads off, but steeper tension rewarding.
08:35:25 We, we, we, we, I put your line that we need something for them to to.
08:35:45 Hi! i'm just thinking, i'm repeating my son, this some requirement to yeah these signs, David, are you still with us.
08:36:09 There is no other category. use case, feature and spec rights.
08:36:16 The globalatic coordinate is there also a owner once it's a global requirement.
08:36:24 It's yeah. we don't yeah there's so far.
08:36:30 Yeah, let me check And okay, So let me see, Soikoni, I know you wanted to vote. but we we need to have this definition Right?
08:36:53 Yeah, Catherine, can we have this in mail?
08:36:55 Can have this mail, but this porting by mail I don't think we have Korean up, and at least we collect the feedback, and can, if you don't mind, we will do an offline vote and in the
08:37:08 Meanwhile I will see if i'm missing a lead of something but great feedback, because, honestly, at the minute you start to speak, I think,
08:37:21 Do you skip me. Thank you so much, John gasser bringing up and says you to compliment anything else that you Well, I I just need to verify that this version is what we're voting on and that.
08:37:36 We, Aren't adding something new to it but we need to vote on.
08:37:44 Let me just say what I was doing, and and you if we need to tweak a little bit the wording that's fine with the category.
08:37:53 The batch name is what we vote with the content, of course, but we can tweak a little bit.
08:38:01 So I just say you can think, Okay, so it will be on that version is what I will put the vote out for.
08:38:07 Yeah. I confirmed. There's its use case feature and spec
08:38:13 The others are best practice and global requirement and poc but I don't think we're planning to use those I understand.
08:38:26 Okay, we are with them. Question: Dwell I don't change Okay, I'll put that out for an email vote.
08:38:41 Thank you got crop guys. thank you anything else i'll take it 10 min.
08:38:52 Oh, yeah, I think we are losing people. Just a reminder of the Cnf: task force is now at one Pm.