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00:11:38    Muddasar Ahmed:    Our commitment to software quality and security is unwavering. We envision a culture where every member of our organization embraces these principles as essential elements of our work. To achieve this vision, we pledge to implement rigorous testing processes at every stage of development, leveraging automation and advanced tools to ensure thorough analysis of our code. Furthermore, we will prioritize continuous improvement, actively seeking feedback from users, stakeholders, and other LF communities to drive iterative enhancements. By proactively identifying and addressing potential vulnerabilities, we will fortify our software against emerging threats. Our goal is not just to meet industry standards but to set new benchmarks for excellence. Through our dedication to quality and security, we will inspire confidence in our users and demonstrate our unwavering commitment to their success.
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Sandra Jackson: And morning.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi! Good morning, Sandra!

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Byung-Woo Jun: I'm Odessa.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Morning.

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Byung-Woo Jun: 8.

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Byung-Woo Jun: We have a year

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Byung-Woo Jun: session. Yeah.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Yeah.

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Muddasar Ahmed: working from home today.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Came.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Dog is not cooperating.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I can't go on! You can't go.

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Keguang He: Hi! Duane!

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Keguang He: Good night. Everyone.

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Byung-Woo Jun: You don't.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright! Give it another minute or so. Here.

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Sandra Jackson: that's folks come in.

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Paweł Pawlak: Hello! Good morning!

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hey! How are you?

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, good. And you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Good, good.

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Paweł Pawlak: Oh, we have a special guest, our Mateos, right.

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Byung-Woo Jun: That is in modest side to post.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): And 3.

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Byung-Woo Jun: He says.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So so hi.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Bye.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, I'll go ahead and get started with our regular announcements that are showing up that when you come into the meeting, hold on for a second.

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Paweł Pawlak: Please Sandra,

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Sandra Jackson: When you come into the meeting, the meeting is being recorded that includes chats and private chats. If you're dialed in on a telephone and need to

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Sandra Jackson: And then just a reminder of the anti trust policy that we operate all of our conduct law meetings on if you have any questions about it, you can reach out to your company's legal counsel, or if you are a member of the Links Foundation.

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Sandra Jackson: You can reach out to Andrew up to grove of the firm guest up to Grove LLP.

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Sandra Jackson: Alrighty

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Sandra Jackson: Oh, good! We have a tech update today.

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Sandra Jackson: the a booth. I'll talk briefly about the booth that will be at the one summit

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Sandra Jackson: and subcommittee updates, and then some housekeeping, so we can go ahead and jump into it. If if are there any questions or comments about the

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Sandra Jackson: Okay?

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Sandra Jackson: So then I will hand the floor over to motorcyc.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you so much.

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Muddasar Ahmed: I had to find my

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Sandra Jackson: No worries. Do you need to share anything?

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Muddasar Ahmed: Not really, but I can give you a quick rundown. What's the latest right now?

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Muddasar Ahmed: And the last tack meeting

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Muddasar Ahmed: we, as usual, discussed, discussed, upcoming Dntf and one summit.

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Muddasar Ahmed: But there were 2 votes.

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Muddasar Ahmed: leaf incubation. There was a road to

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Muddasar Ahmed: they had presented couple of time in the tech meetings, and I think, lot of time. It is a gradual process, but in this case they have proven that they have

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Muddasar Ahmed: So there are some goals set up. Those documentation has been revised last time. I guess it was 2021 when some of those processes were created

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Muddasar Ahmed: So I will give you some of those texts in the chat. Sounds like you can put it in your Dsc. Meeting, I think, is

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Muddasar Ahmed: this requires ground up support.

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Muddasar Ahmed: We are producing softwares.

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Muddasar Ahmed: So, taking our responsibility as developer of those capabilities.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Hey, this is is, this is a a goal that we are marching toward doesn't have to be specific. But we need to change the culture where

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Muddasar Ahmed: we always set quality goals.

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Muddasar Ahmed: But some of the work becomes permanent fixture, the Cuban daddies, and a whole bunch of other projects. In one example.

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Muddasar Ahmed: we take it as de facto. This is the way to do business, and we hope, in our own app to some of our capabilities in the future will

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Muddasar Ahmed: still be used as a multi domain orchestrator.

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Muddasar Ahmed: So if that's the case right? We need to think permanency. And that means we need to take care of some stuff that's broken or half cooked

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Muddasar Ahmed: and tech technical debt. Retirement is one of those. What if you have some dependencies there outdated.

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Muddasar Ahmed: or you have a big security hole, you know. You know it's been reported.

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Muddasar Ahmed: All of these are project level

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Muddasar Ahmed: activities that don't think they need to go in the goals. But I'll give you an example, it's a very high level.

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Muddasar Ahmed: and I look forward to getting some feedback from Tsc members, so

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Muddasar Ahmed: any thoughts or question. Let me put that stuff in the chat

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Muddasar Ahmed: center for you.

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Paweł Pawlak: Thank you, Madazar, for this update.

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Muddasar Ahmed: I'm not able to.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Sandra. If you can give me the page URL, I'll just put it in the notes.

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Paweł Pawlak: Sandra, we cannot hear you if you speak.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Or I can slice and dice.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I I mean, I can send the link to Modessa. This is the meeting notes.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, it's it's in the notes.

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Sandra Jackson: Isn't jet.

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Sandra Jackson: You mentioned the chat? Yeah. Hmm.

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Sandra Jackson: okay. Got it. I will

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Sandra Jackson: Okay,

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Paweł Pawlak: Sandra question as we have. Matt was joining us

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Paweł Pawlak: just in order to save his time, can we? Could we switch to

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Paweł Pawlak: to the point. He wanted to to race to Tsc.

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Paweł Pawlak: okay.

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Sandra Jackson: Do you need to share anything for that.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Yeah, I have a few slides regarding this.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay. Let me stop.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Over.

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Sandra Jackson: Hold on for a second. Let me just add this in, and then I'll stop sharing.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, all for you.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Alright let me

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): figuring out how to stand that. Okay.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Alright. Tell me, tell me, please, if you can see my screen.

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Paweł Pawlak: No.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Not yet not yet.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Okay. Oh.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah. Will. Come.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I mean. Come, you come in. Yeah.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Alright! Alright! Alright so what's this all about? So?

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): And anyway, the story is quite try to be brief.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): I I got the task to improve observability from in in our platform. That. That's the problem. And one of the things to be to improve is logging right. So to make looks more like user friendly and more usable.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So I started to look at the components that we use from on app gathering information about the logs and trying to figure it out. What's the best way to present it?

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Eyes?

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So that these are where my go. So fo first to get all that important data we can, then to have them passed, which is very important to me to present it nicely to the users and then to is, you know, to to make it manageable as possible, as easy as possible for the platform. And I did something like

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): existing logging. Let's say, situation in on app. I I did.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): I'm gonna show you now with you now in the next slide. So I went through the that's actually

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): but that hasn't changed much in Montreal.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So I went through all the pods

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): all the outputs of the logs that there is, and that I I got pretty much like you can see

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): quite a bunch of information which component looks, what what way?

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): And I found I stumbled on couple of of issues when trying to like organize it, because first, the first, the original talk was just to get the logs, but they are not not much usable if you just just like strings of lines.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So I try try to make it more usable, right? For for the user.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): my first problem was a different format, as you can see, and I'm pretty sure most of you are aware of it.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So we have enough components that there's no consistency in the way how they look.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Try to tackle this problem. I actually kind of did it

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): did it like analysis? What are the the parts? And I've managed to construct? And fluent d fluent beach, a configuration that parses, each container actually.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): differently, because that's that was the key takeout is that in on up each container, so not even each port, but each container, each each, each subco. We have a components in on that they have sub components and subcopinas usually consist of ports and pots. We have containers, and those containers, even within the same

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): component, are logging in a different way. Different formats. So I've managed to create a bunch of configuration files and flu, and be that that allows me to parse it nicely to understand the logs as they come.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): But I realized that it's

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): it's gonna be hard to maintain. It's gonna be like hard to

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): handle regular expressions as much, you know.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): in in. Let's let's say you have a 60 pots from onup. So I would have to have a 60 configurations like this. I'm showing you

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): 60 sections of configuration that would be able to for me to understand the logs right?

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): So that was my first problem. That was my first solution. Then then I noticed that there is a second problem

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): that. Not all the logs are printed into the Std out. So they these, there are parts of the components, parts of the logs that this is example from the I think this is

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Paweł Pawlak: Definitely good initiative, Matthews, just to give you an overview. There are some projects that we are.

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Paweł Pawlak: from operational point of view. So this is a very valuable activity. Right?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is good. I think that we review the owner next generation security and log architecture which already, you know, shared, and I think that yes, you already saw that. And then, though during that that introduction, Bob Hyman, and from second, and we introduced the second introduced to

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Byung-Woo Jun: the Standard Security log format. That's what the Matthias mentioned. So I think. Cps team. They did. Poc. They put it in. I think the desk a very useful it. The example how we can do so they can. So I know they're not. We have only the few the owner component. And we call core.

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Byung-Woo Jun: there's still creating the format, the the second the the provide as a global requirement or suggestion. So I think we should discuss, if we can. Provide one single format unified comment, you will be much easier in the front bit as a collector.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and we we did some Poc Ericsson, and then there at that time we had Sam issue, and then we have to handle a different format different passing, and then we have to normalize it before we send to elastic search. That's a good thing.

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Byung-Woo Jun: for couple, you know a few things right? Cause tender or stand error. We have to finish. We are, we are informed, yeah, yeah, done. But actually, it's not done. This not good. And second on is the format standalice format following it. And then Jase format and the cps provide great example.

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Byung-Woo Jun: it'll be great. I think that's a good topic for Oslo. So I put the also logging enhancement as a also target the focus area. So I think that we need to talk the Tata communication. Tsc, and Pto.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Thank you. So I, I think we all understand agree because that that's the needs I think the only like

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): the only person who might be against it would be that somebody already implemented logging, formatting, and now we're gonna destroy it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And so that become global requirements. So we, you know, we have to discuss again a Ptf, but that global requirement was agreed.

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Byung-Woo Jun: It's nice. So if you can, you know, do something for us, then it would be great. That's possible. Good topic.

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Paweł Pawlak: For the the following week on the sixth of

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Paweł Pawlak: and and simply, as it is already a requirement, I think global requirement that that was already shared with the community a while ago.

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Paweł Pawlak: We we are just, you know, following the the requirement that was already agreed. Right? So

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Paweł Pawlak: is just to mention it in the release notes. So to inform Thomas Clique, who is responsible for the for the documentation

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Byung-Woo Jun: 1 1 one comment. I think, Matthias. I think that you're gonna talk about the front with Route Texas. We had the same problem. So we had discussion at the second and even Maggie from Nsa. The team. And then they provide some

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Byung-Woo Jun: But you have a your own solution. So maybe you can discuss further about the how we gonna support the non accessible front or some restricted yeah. So we we can discuss. But you have us from your own thoughts. And then maybe as a second next time we can discuss about your suggestion.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And Maggie gonna be there so we can discuss about that. So we have a certain solution. But I'm not sure there's still a great solution yet. But there's a no perfect solution here. So if you have, you know, sort. And we can discuss at the second Pabo. Maybe we can discuss.

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Paweł Pawlak: This would be on the seventh of May. But I will show you in in the Polish time zone.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Yes, I am.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay. So 2 pm. On on Tuesday, seventh of May.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, I could send you invitation

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Paweł Pawlak: if you share with me your email and.

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Mateusz Pilat (TCL): Sure. Okay, alright I'll write it in the in the chat.

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Byung-Woo Jun: That's good, the topic. So anyway. So we're gonna discuss more. And the also about general unlogging architecture and this implementation, and then, including the

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Byung-Woo Jun: good access. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Matthews.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, we'll move on. Okay, this this one here is quick. So anyway, the one summit is coming up

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Sandra Jackson: next week, and so we do have the Lfn. Booth. There is going to feature 3 main kios cloud native AI, and cloud me. I think that's supposed to say automation

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Sandra Jackson: at the end it was a copy and paste. So sorry I didn't catch that. But the link there. If anyone is attending and want to man the kiosk, it's a good opportunity to

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Sandra Jackson: to tell what's happening in in share what's happening in in your community. You don't need to be

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Sandra Jackson: yeah expert or anything. Just kind of know some information about Lf networking. But the link is there with the available time slots that they still need folks to fill. So if you're interested and you will be get one summit, please click on a link and fill in a slot to fill.

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Sandra Jackson: And do you need to share Dion.

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Byung-Woo Jun: No, I think that we I share this before I just for now that we have. You know, schedule Kickoff, May 9, and Rc. November 20 first, and then sign up December 12, after 11 dtf, I like to have a Tsd meeting, and then we wants to have some kind of voting to approve this also. Schedule

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Byung-Woo Jun: on May ninth. That's my plan. So the please take a look at the that link, and then, if you have con some consideration suggestion or the date. And please let me know and let us know. Then we can change it. But we're gonna share this current schedule

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Byung-Woo Jun: at the 11 dtf, as a not yet approved that version. But October May ninth. We can have some kind of a voting agreement on the also schedule. It's not that we're not following the waterfall anymore.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Tta can start anytime. They want. We are doing agile base this way. So we have flexible when to start and when to you know. Rc, but for now this is kind of a a marketing version of the oslo, yeah, that's it.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. So again, just reemphasizing, please,

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Sandra Jackson: take a minute to review it and be prepared to vote for it on

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you. They are

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Sandra Jackson: actually, I think we did that.

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Sandra Jackson: Was there anything else in Ptl update

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Sandra Jackson: So then, can we move on to Oom Update.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Andress is not here today. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: anyway, the report that the OM. Cause the Dan is not here either, Danoney.

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Byung-Woo Jun: because the one issue is the we are still waiting for Dan's input, for Sdnc for vehemen

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Byung-Woo Jun: the crystal. Remember the Andreas he changed or removeding the beer man, and they're going to Rfc.

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Byung-Woo Jun: But the Sdnc. One unit they still are referring that the beer man, so without changing it, the whole whole own app, you know, cannot go that path. That's why it's very urgent someone contact, then, Timoni. And what's the

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Byung-Woo Jun: situation? So he he deported the most purchasing only issue with Sdnc. So then has to respond. So we need to get his get involved as soon as possible. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: I don't know who who who can contact them.

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know. Talk to Andrew guys guys so as soon as possible to fix it. Otherwise we have issue because of this Dnc.

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Paweł Pawlak: Done, the.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yes, to.

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Paweł Pawlak: Tony, Tony, could we ask for your help here

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Paweł Pawlak: as you are in 1 one organization we've we've done.

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Paweł Pawlak: It was unlimited

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Paweł Pawlak: question to Tony Tony Hansen.

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Tony Hansen: Contact me offline.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, so anyway, just.

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Paweł Pawlak: So beyond. Could you please.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I can send email to you. Okay, so yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: just ask him to talk to Andress. He knows the issue. And then Sdnc boom in some issue. So anyway, so okay, so

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Byung-Woo Jun: let him contact Andreas for more details. You know, I think he knows that.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I'll send you Tony.

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Tony Hansen: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: Actually, I'm going to back up because I mixed up my sections here, hold on for a second.

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Sandra Jackson: Going back to the Ptl updates.

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Sandra Jackson: I was thinking that this is what he updated on. And he updated down here. Okay,

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Sandra Jackson: is Jessica on. Do you have a

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Sandra Jackson: I just saw her name. Do we have any updates on this, or is this still ongoing the Ng portal.

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Jessica Wagantall: Yeah. We we met last week before the oss, and we did some progress I need to reach out back to fed and

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Jessica Wagantall: and organize another meeting. I I think I think we did good progress. So we still ongoing.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: And this is what we've heard on on on Monday. Call. Thank you, Jess, for for your help, and the team.

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Paweł Pawlak: So yes, please, please keep on moving on this so we could

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Paweł Pawlak: very soon. Right? Hmm, thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay? And did I miss anything else in this section? I think I got it now.

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Sandra Jackson: just.

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Paweł Pawlak: Just a com comment, if if may I?

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Paweł Pawlak: So yeah, it is. It is really crucial to to have those scans completed, and

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Paweł Pawlak: once you have the information about the vulnerabilities, and you know the the packages upgrades recommended. So

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Paweł Pawlak: please, for the Pts. Right, please don't hesitate to do the action.

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Paweł Pawlak: And I think we have already the the Cps project that's completed it. So congratulations for doing those efforts and looking forward for others to

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Paweł Pawlak: to follow the same path. Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you, Pablo.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: now, I think I can move forward.

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Sandra Jackson: Going down to. We did that one. Okay, at our com, our com. Am I seeing it right, Ourcom?

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Sandra Jackson: Subcommittee updates

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Sandra Jackson: anything.

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Byung-Woo Jun: No, just. We are preparing for Lf. And Dtmf. Presentation from outcome as part of their own initiatives. So that's so. That's simple.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, so are we through the agenda already to stop check. I think we are

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Sandra Jackson: okay. So then, I'll move down to housekeeping

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Sandra Jackson: and upcoming events.

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Sandra Jackson: some, but.

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Paweł Pawlak: Sorry for interrupting you

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Paweł Pawlak: guys, Le, next week, as we have those events. So all the other.

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Paweł Pawlak: let's say regular events of of on app like subcommittee meetings, or probably

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Paweł Pawlak: Pts. Call and project meetings would be cancelled right? So so everyone could could participate in the Gtf. And would not lose any.

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Paweł Pawlak: And I think, so.

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Paweł Pawlak: yeah, let's keep all the project and all the meetings, all the other meetings. Tsc. As well for the next week will be cancelled right? Because of those events.

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Paweł Pawlak: Just a comment

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Paweł Pawlak: to make make it clear. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: Yup, I thank you, Pablo.

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Sandra Jackson: okay. So one summit is coming up next week.

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Sandra Jackson: after the one summit the tell-in is on is the Dntf, so just like Pablo said. Everything as far as own app Psc. Ptl. Meetings

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Sandra Jackson: will be canceled so that you can participate. We hope to see folks there participating.

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Sandra Jackson: I think that's it. Bayon. Did you have any additional.

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Byung-Woo Jun: No, no, that's that's my schedule already shared. And then we adjusted. And then, okay, so that's it.

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Sandra Jackson: Right

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Sandra Jackson: well, if there are no other comments or questions.

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Muddasar Ahmed: I have one Sandra.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Just wanted to

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Muddasar Ahmed: inform members here who may be interested in AI.

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Muddasar Ahmed: I think there was a line item up there. We didn't get to talk.

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Muddasar Ahmed: But the task force

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Muddasar Ahmed: we're thinking the task force was created. With the Board's desire to look into

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Muddasar Ahmed: FY. 24 goals and beyond.

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Muddasar Ahmed: And one of the items was, how can we leverage AI in elephant projects?

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Muddasar Ahmed: So there's a paper that was co-authored by many members.

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Muddasar Ahmed: The paper may be.

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Muddasar Ahmed: I think they are planning to share it. On one summit there'll be a booth. They will at least have some artifacts

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Muddasar Ahmed: for participant to take

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Muddasar Ahmed: have an AI discussion. So tech members, other participants are welcome.

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Muddasar Ahmed: I think Kate Wong and some of his

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Muddasar Ahmed: collaborators from his companies been already working on it.

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Muddasar Ahmed: If they are going to participate, please join. Otherwise there will be a link

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Muddasar Ahmed: for remote participation in that AI discussion. Few things we wanna get feedback on. AI topic is

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Muddasar Ahmed: the task force. Job was not to be permanent. So I think at some point we need to

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Muddasar Ahmed: morph into what's next. And the next part could be, that lot of projects may be already doing some AI related work.

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Muddasar Ahmed: How do we combine these efforts? So we have a portfolio level visibility to what Lfn is doing for AI.

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Muddasar Ahmed: At the same time, let those projects do their work. Build the capabilities air. Related capabilities in their software offerings.

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Muddasar Ahmed: So please look out for a session at Dtf.

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Muddasar Ahmed: For AI. I think it should be on the schedule.

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Muddasar Ahmed: If you can join in person, join remotely and provide your feedback.

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Muddasar Ahmed: Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Any other questions or comments.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, well, there, if if there's hold on, let me just check this chat really quickly.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you. Bye.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Just for Tony Tony, email, yeah, just for rest and see the email, mo, dependencies. So yeah.

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Sandra Jackson: Wonderful

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Sandra Jackson: so if there's nothing else, then we will see you next week in one summit.

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Sandra Jackson: or the d and tf, or both

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Sandra Jackson: and then the following week will pick up. So everyone have a good week.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you.

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Paweł Pawlak: Thank you. Bye, bye.

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Paweł Pawlak: I have a good meetings in San Jose.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Kit.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Okay. Bye. Bye, thank you.