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Sandra Jackson: Good morning.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Good morning, Sandra.

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Thomas Kulik: Good morning.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay. I'll go ahead and get started, at least in our reminders here.

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Sandra Jackson: The reminders that the meeting is recorded.

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Sandra Jackson: and then our regular reminder of the Linux Foundation antitrust policy. If you have any questions about it, you could reach out to your company's legal counsel, or if you're a member of the Lf. You can contact Andrew up to Grove with.

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Sandra Jackson: Have to have

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Sandra Jackson: guessma up to growth. LLP.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright on the agenda today. We don't have a lot

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Sandra Jackson: we'll talk about the Dntf. A little bit we did it on the in the face to face meeting. But

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Sandra Jackson: it was just a

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Sandra Jackson: how few of us in a room, and Andre is one, so we'll just cover that again.

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Sandra Jackson:  Kegan is going to give us an Nfd Internet report. And then just some reminders down here about the election and

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Sandra Jackson: the reminder about the one Summit housekeeping stuff. Anything need to be added to the agenda or anyone have any questions?

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David McBride: Hey, Sandra, are you looking at the right agenda? Patrick?

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Sandra Jackson: Yeah, today is the third, right?

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David McBride: Yeah. Can you? Refresh? Because II added some stuff to the agenda. But I don't see it showing up on your

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Sandra Jackson: okay. Let me refresh. Hold on!

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Sandra Jackson: There you go, David. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: alright. Well, with that we'll jump right into it.  I know I don't know if the home is on. Hold on. I need to check.

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Sandra Jackson: or anyone who was at the Dntf. In in person. If you want to give a brief summary

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Sandra Jackson: of the Dntf, you can go ahead and jump in.

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Sandra Jackson: Can you also hear me?

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Pano Xinos: Yep.

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Sandra Jackson: okay. Well, then, I'll give a brief summary. I thought that we had a good event. This time around we had a lot of good content.

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Sandra Jackson:  the we had some folks that didn't show what we definitely had more people at this event than we had in Porto

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Sandra Jackson: There was some really good discussions, especially the Cnf. Discussion about Cnf. Coming over to the Lf, networking

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Sandra Jackson:  and did anyone participate online? Did anyone who participate on line wanna say anything?

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Sandra Jackson: How was it for you? Align?

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, we have a fire group the mark this morning. So we'll move on to the

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Sandra Jackson: Nsb, and onat report is Kaguan on? Do you need to share?

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Keguang He: Yeah, I can share my screen, because before I upload the zoom material button.

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Keguang He: I made some errors, so I will try later after this meeting.

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Keguang He: Maybe I can't.

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Keguang He: and came through now.

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Sandra Jackson: So you're saying you can't share right now. Okay, there you go.

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Keguang He: Okay, let me try again.

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Keguang He: Okay, can you? My, can you see my slides.

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Sandra Jackson: Yes, yes, I can see.

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Keguang He: Okay. Okay. Because, last week 45 meeting where hold in

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Keguang He: December. December eleventh.

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Keguang He: So so they ask. Because I'm the reason officer in each way

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Keguang He: for ownap. So they ask the they asked me to provide provide a reason report

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Keguang He: about onapro.

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Keguang He: I now add recently a work of own app. So I write it as a contribution.

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Keguang He: using this contribution, I first I will

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Keguang He: have a givea.

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Keguang He: A introduction aboard. Release and know is presently engaged in the research and the development of a material release.

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Keguang He: And this is schedules

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Keguang He: and this is first.

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Keguang He: so this is a first contents I will introduce. Second, II will introduce the the F one develop and the testing

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Keguang He: first give give the meeting overview, the date location and the link.

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Keguang He: and also a

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Keguang He: very brief introduction about F. And D. And Ntf.

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Keguang He: And in this picture I will show all the own app sessions. In this meeting they have more than 10

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Keguang He: on abstractions. This is or we represented presented. In Iphone, Dtf.

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Keguang He: and in this in in this page and I will show. 2 topics that may related to life way. The first is the Internet model. And the first topic is about Internet models, the present and the future because they have because in this

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Keguang He: to give introduction about the pathway in tender modules.

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Keguang He: So I added this topic. and second is about the onap architecture, evolution.

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Keguang He: So I want to introduce the more detail information

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Keguang He: to each has an free a.

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Keguang He: Okay, okay, that's all for my business report any comments? Thank you

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Sandra Jackson: speak, because, okay, there you go. I was. Gonna say, we can't hear you.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And was, what was the response.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: and you present at this.

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Keguang He: that maybe,

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Keguang He: You you means when I when I present when I pre have the present upload the presentation 2 and a half way.

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Keguang He: What was the response from an athlete? Right?

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Keguang He: Yeah. As you were

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Keguang He: the the best share free group. Who will show all the laser reports, not only for own app, but

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Keguang He: for other. Standard organization like I like Ahfi and German or Afre and other still group

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Keguang He: Sometimes maybe somewhere have some comments. or sometimes they have no comments. If they have some comments, I will. We will.

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Keguang He: We will keep some induction, or give some use, some instruction hour and 200, and

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Keguang He: and if there a note comments I think we didn't, and need we? We don't need. Any response.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, thank you.

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Keguang He: You're welcome.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, well, thank you. Pickleman.

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Keguang He: Okay, you're welcome. Okay, I will.

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Keguang He: A stubborn ashay.

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Keguang He: Okay, continue syndrome. Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, just a few reminders here.

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Sandra Jackson: that we have the the Tsc elections. The ballots are out

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Sandra Jackson: and the elections in tonight. So if you have not voted, I think most of you have. But if you have not voted, go ahead and get your votes in hold on 1 s, please.

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Sandra Jackson: when I leave off. So yeah, if you have not voted, please go ahead and get your votes in, and then I have the reminder here for the Ls. Annual Report. But thankfully I spoke to Panel this morning, so something was submitted. He just hasn't reviewed it as of yet. So thank you, Paul, for that.

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Sandra Jackson: Pablo, did you have something here that you want? Did you want to share?

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Paweł Pawlak: Sorry. Just just landed and connected. Can you repeat the question, Sandra?

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I see a link here. Did you want to share with the Tse?

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes, yes, please. In fact, I made some first draft of the proposal for the marketing. Let's see message.

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Paweł Pawlak: and I would like to request for your

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Paweł Pawlak: I mean, do you see, members Review? Maybe I should add some some additional information related to the use cases that we have, or

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Paweł Pawlak: particular achievements for the last year. so please treat it as a as a first draft, and if you could, please review it and provide your feedback. By end of this week.

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Paweł Pawlak: II know the panel is waiting for this for this information. but I want to make sure that

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Paweł Pawlak: everyone's contribution is taken into account and is well recognized. Okay?

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David McBride: Oh, we also, we have Ponto on the call. He has any comments or anyone has any questions.

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Pano Xinos: No, I have no comments.

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Thomas Kulik: Okay, Thomasia, from documentation public. Do you think this should be used also as a as a general release notes.

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Thomas Kulik: or.

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Paweł Pawlak: in fact, my understanding after the meeting we had with panel is this, this is like a document that is provided by

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Paweł Pawlak: Lfn or with the input from all the projects.

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Paweł Pawlak: And this is this, is this aims at summarizing whole year. So this, not this, is not focusing on the particular a single release, but rather all year we had.

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Paweł Pawlak: And so this is something wider than just just just release notes.

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Paweł Pawlak: In fact, the first document I shared with you some time ago was more for the for the timing at the release. Not but I was not aware of the.

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Paweł Pawlak: And you know goals of this

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Paweł Pawlak: of this document. Right? So that's why I made modifications. And

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Paweł Pawlak: I hope you can open this Google document on on Google drive.

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Thomas Kulik: Okay? So probably, are you, are you planning to to provide also the Montreal release notes, the the composite release notes. Yes, yes, in fact, the the document I shared

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Paweł Pawlak: was aiming at at the kind of release notes for the for the Montreal, so it could be good basis. But obviously, if there are some add-ons or additions I'm open to

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Paweł Pawlak: to to, you know, to include them. Right? I have not received. I only received feedback from from Mundasar. and yes, I. This is already included in this.

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Paweł Pawlak: in, in, in this, in this version.

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Paweł Pawlak: But, as I said, the first document was, I mean, had the

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Paweł Pawlak: hmm at the Montreal release note. And now the one I'm sharing today at at the Wiki is is more focus on the whole year. Achievements, right?

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Paweł Pawlak: Summarizing more high level achievements.

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Pano Xinos: Yeah, so it's basically sorry, it's just basically the year in review so challenges successes. But what we did differently decisions that we made that will

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Pano Xinos: change. How we do things going forward, you know. So the theme of the annual report is new horizons. Because this year we did things a bit differently.

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Pano Xinos: So we're trying to share that with, you know, the outside world, basically

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Thomas Kulik: excellent. So but let me double check the I think the email list

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Thomas Kulik: or maybe you can provide me a link to to the document for the composite police notes.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay, you're welcome.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you, Pablo.

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Sandra Jackson:  we'll move down to release David. Do you need to share?

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David McBride: No, I don't think so.

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David McBride: yeah. So

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David McBride: the good news is that all of the release management tasks for Rc. Have been completed. So thank you to all the projects and the Ptl's for getting that done. Unfortunately, the feedback that we got from Merrick. At the Ptl. Meeting on Monday.

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David McBride: Regarding gating was not

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David McBride: good.

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David McBride: They're still struggling with with integration. And also I think both Merrick and Andreas are out this week.

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David McBride: So we're no go for the Rc. Decision today due to the status of gating

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David McBride: and I'm not hopeful about getting that in, you know, before we break for the the winter holidays. It's it's possible.

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David McBride: that you know. If if Andreas and Merrick have a breakthrough

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David McBride: say next week, it's possible that we could have the Rc. Milestone say on the fourteenth.

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David McBride: But I'm not planning on that right now, because there's just so much I don't. I don't have any visibility into the status of gating, or how close they are. So I didn't see any point in in proposing a new schedule yet

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David McBride: until we have more information. So. you know I'll I'll try to stay in touch with me and Andreas on on gating

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David McBride: and if if they do seem to be having a breakthrough. Then, you know, a week from today I can propose a new schedule that say.

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David McBride: you know, has the Rc. Milestone on maybe the fourteenth, and and then sign off sometime in say mid to late January.

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David McBride: But II just don't have that visibility right now, and and it's highly possible that rc, will not happen until January. So

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David McBride: bottom line Rc is no go for today. And right now we don't have good visibility into when it can be rescheduled.

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Thomas Kulik: David. Today. I had a short chat with Andreas, and he said, he is in general okay for the for the Rc. In respect for for the gating

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Thomas Kulik: some.

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Thomas Kulik: But I think he was not finally ready to. Tickets are open. Not sure what he means in detail. But in general he was okay for for for Rc, but not sure I'm I.

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Thomas Kulik: Yeah. Would also listen to to Andreas or Marek. Personally here in the column, giving the green light.

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David McBride: Yeah, the you know the last feedback that I had from Eric. You can see it. II duplicated his note there.

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David McBride:  And so you know, as I said hopefully, Merrick, and or Andreas can be at the ptail meeting on Monday, and if they have, you know, if they tell me something different than what I heard, you know, 3 days ago. Then

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David McBride: then we can. Revisit the Rc. Milestone.

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Thomas Kulik: Is it like

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David McBride: any other questions or comments?

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David McBride: And just

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David McBride: Sandra, let me share really, briefly.

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David McBride: here are the latest results on, master. And so you can see that they're not great. And II don't think that we

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David McBride: actually have a

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David McBride: I don't think that we have a daily for the release branch yet. So

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David McBride: looks like there's still some some work to do here.

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David McBride: Okay, that's it for me.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, thank you, David,

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Sandra Jackson: to share. I thought I saw some reling updates there. So

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Sandra Jackson: Yup, I did. Okay. So who's offer over lunch to.

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Sandra Jackson: hey, Jessica? How are you? Hi.

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Jessica Wagantall: Hi! I'm Sandra, thank you,

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Jessica Wagantall: Do you need to share anything or no? No, no, I'm just gonna talk about it.

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Jessica Wagantall: This is on the topic of cost savings. And we want to take the following action towards

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Jessica Wagantall: benefiting and saving some resources and benefiting the total cost. We noticed that some the majority is not all. All, all for staging jobs and merge jobs are continuing to run on a daily basis. And long ago we set up this jobs to run on a daily basis because the teams were

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Jessica Wagantall: and making sure that any snapshots and any staging artifacts were always available. And this was a point in time where we were not using dependencies the right way. But

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Jessica Wagantall: long ago we discussed about this, about how dependencies were used across a owner projects. And for the majority of the projects, we actually fix those dependencies to always make sure that we are using released artifacts instead.

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Jessica Wagantall: But we never circle back on

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Jessica Wagantall: on regards to tackling these chrome Chron jobs for staging jobs and for snapshot jobs or the merch jobs.

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Jessica Wagantall: us cutting those cron jobs. And oh, the individually teams can set the crown jobs if they would still like to have them on the daily produced on the daily basis. But, to be quite honest, I get the feeling that we don't need them anymore.

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Jessica Wagantall: And we want to set those by default to not run on a daily basis, but just to run whenever these jobs, having these jobs running, when changes are getting merged or using the comment triggers. And

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Jessica Wagantall: here I put a little bit about the risks that we might get by doing this, and the only risk that I can see is that repositories that are still using nonreleased artifacts of dependencies will probably experience some build issues. But

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Jessica Wagantall: on fixing those for any projects that face these issues. Which, to be quite honest. I mean, we should definitely address

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Jessica Wagantall: So the Ben the Great. The greatest benefit here is that we will

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Jessica Wagantall: save a lot on artifact storage and resource usage. And I know that the each job contributes a little bit. But at this scale, that of the number of jobs that we have running for every single branch on the daily basis it. II get the feeling that it's gonna make a good impact by switching this off. So.

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Jessica Wagantall: And I just want to see what what you guys think and

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Sandra Jackson: I'm gonna say, silence is consensus.

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Jessica Wagantall: it. It's it's definitely we we're not changing anything with the fact that the artifacts are still stored in in nexus, for for about, I believe, is about 25 to 30 days

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Jessica Wagantall: but if projects are using their dependencies correctly, they should not face any issues by also in this

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Jessica Wagantall: this will only, and and and this crown jobs can still be adjusted individually if the project wants to. So II am willing to help out if anybody faces any issues after we implement this and help them either turning back their individual cron jobs, to to turn on their crown jobs individually for their project, or to

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Jessica Wagantall: if there's no problems we would like to implement this to day.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I don't see any problems.

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Paweł Pawlak: Thank you. Thank you for your comment.

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Jessica Wagantall: Alright, alright. Thank you so much. I will send an email anyways. Just to remind everybody about this. And we.

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Jessica Wagantall: yeah, thank you. We appreciated that.

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Thomas Kulik: See you again?

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Thomas Kulik: But, Jessica. So I've currently, in the in the last days we had a few issues with verify and self submit its functionality. And you you helped you and team helped you. Much. So thank you for this.

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Thomas Kulik: There is still an issue. With with a sherry pick where with it also behaves somehow strange. But I sent you a mail with the with the ticket number and also

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Thomas Kulik: edge. And currently it's blocking me from from progressing here in documentation. And you, you know, the the team is quite small.

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Jessica Wagantall: Yes.

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Thomas Kulik: yeah. Self support is essential to continue. And yeah would be great if you have a look at it and maybe could fix it.

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Jessica Wagantall: Yeah, let me. III noticed your email this morning. So let me let me take a look at it. And yeah, I'll, i'll reply back in the ticket,

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Thomas Kulik: thank you.

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Jessica Wagantall: yeah, thank you all right, thank you Sandra.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you. Jessica.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, we'll move down to subcommittee updates. I bayon or Powell. Do you need to share?

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think, Pablo, can you read this one.

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Byung-Woo Jun: We can, we can. Hear you

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Paweł Pawlak: now. Can you hear me?

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Paweł Pawlak: Yes, yes, oh, sorry. In fact. Last last second we had the discussion about the met the information that was received at the Pts. Call

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Paweł Pawlak: hmm. It is related to the

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Paweł Pawlak: Plans that lf, IT. Has to migrate

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Paweł Pawlak: to $6. So we were wondering about some, you know, getting some more details as it is,

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Paweł Pawlak: you know, very under sec. Interest, and probably overall on up community to have some visibility on when this migration is planned. You know. Can you share some more details? Can we get some info on this.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Jessica, you stay, you are you? Yes, I was.

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Jessica Wagantall: So this was discussed internally, and I still have I still have a task to discuss this

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Jessica Wagantall: across all release engineering. But I want to focus this discussion separately with Martin

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Jessica Wagantall: I haven't done it because they were in the in the Dtf. Last week Matt was in the Dtf. Last week, and we had a long holiday. So we I mean, I need to get back to it. But in general, basically, what we want to do.

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Jessica Wagantall: And we want to start by implementing this new migration directly in the docker in the docker jobs in the docker release jobs. And I know at the moment we have these releases going getting produced. But they images are not getting signed. So in parallel, I'm working on a on a Github action that is gonna test this.

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Jessica Wagantall: they are a in parallel. We're as a as a whole release engineering team. We're planning to migrate away from from Siegel.

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Jessica Wagantall: since we have some issues with signing tags for when we are working on sent us 8. So we are discussing internally to migrate. But we haven't set any specific dates or any specific timelines, for when we're gonna do this, I know that Eric Ball was working on this for some of his projects as well.

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Byung-Woo Jun: they're based on the conversation in onap the second Pablo and Emi and other modista.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and I think that they set some kind of a you know, priority. So you know, moving to 6 stories could be good thing, and then I think that they want the energy and container signing first, and then along with the Aspam assign.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and followed by the quote sign which could be I think the team could wait for quote, you know sign, but I think they need them the image and container signing. And as from sign, this is what I was using my Poc. What was it based on?

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Jessica Wagantall: By redesigning the way we release specifically docker images. I'm not going into how we're releasing Maven. But the reason why I'm doing this is because

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Jessica Wagantall: we're currently the the way that we're doing this releases the the way that we're doing this releases is basically they all the instructions of how to build a docker image, and where to pull dependencies and where to push it. This is all described in the either the pump file or the docker file of each project, and then once those 2 are processed, then the Jenkins job.

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Jessica Wagantall: A. A. A start signing.

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Jessica Wagantall: artifacts? But they only sign artifact from Maven. So if we wanted to implement the signatures at the point of before we push the docker images, it will have to be done in the docker file itself. It it cannot be done right now in the in the Jenkins shop directly, because by the time the Jenkins job continues it, it already processed, they push them right.

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Jessica Wagantall: This is the reason why we're trying to redesign the the release part for the docker images so that we can

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Byung-Woo Jun: Pavlo, I think we need a separate discussion for this Jessica. And second.

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Jessica Wagantall: yeah, and I want to have the discussion also with Matt as well. I know that he has some experience using 6 store for another project. So his opinion can come in handy.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay, thank you very much, definitely, definitely. Okay, let's continue. Maybe offline

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Paweł Pawlak: on this. Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you. And Jessica.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright.

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Sandra Jackson: before we get into the in into any housekeeping items. Is there anything else, or any last comments

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Sandra Jackson: or anything? Not just a

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Sandra Jackson: not that. Just this last update.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. Well, with that I'll go into housekeeping just the winter holiday meeting cancellations. Thank you, David, for posting that they're posted here. The Ptl. Meetings will be cancelled. Starting December eighteenth.

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Sandra Jackson: the Tsc. Meetings will be canceled, starting December 20 first, and then we'll pick up after the New Year.

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Sandra Jackson: once summit I just wanted to remind everyone I forgot to put this on, but I wanted to remind everyone that the Cfp

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Sandra Jackson: proposals are due by December third, and these are the tracks listed that they wanna speak on for 2024. So if you have any submissions, please get those in

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Sandra Jackson: before the third. And then the final reminder that if you have not voted for the election ends tonight, so go ahead and get your folks in.

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Sandra Jackson: And with that I don't have anything else, Pablo, do you have anything else?

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Sandra Jackson: Yes.

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Sandra Jackson: I thought, he said, share, did you say?

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Sandra Jackson: Yes, it's Tsc chair to balance one out.

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Sandra Jackson: Yeah. The ballots went out

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Sandra Jackson: and the election ends tonight.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: Yeah. If you have not received ballot or whatever I don't know who I was who I'm talking to. But yeah, just let me know. Okay, okay. alright. Okay, thanks. Thank you all

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Sandra Jackson: alright. Have a good one.

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Keguang He: Thank you. Bye.

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Paweł Pawlak: Thank you. Bye, bye.