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Byung-Woo Jun: Sandra!

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi!

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi! Sandra!

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Byung-Woo Jun: No!

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Sandra Jackson: He's on mute. Hi! How are how are you?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Are you showing your calendar where you want to show the Tsdp.

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Sandra Jackson: Oh, sorry. I wanted to make sure I had the right link. But yes, I do want to show that. Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh, okay. Okay. Just.

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Sandra Jackson: And who do we have on? Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: put that up there.

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Paweł Pawlak: Hello! Good morning!

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi Pavel.

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Paweł Pawlak: Hello! Bill!

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Sandra Jackson: Morning, morning, morning.

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Paweł Pawlak: Good morning, Sandra.

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Sandra Jackson: Speaking.

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Sandra Jackson: alright, that's folks are coming in.

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Sandra Jackson: Let me just double check something here.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright, as folks are coming in. We have our regular reminders up on this screen.

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Sandra Jackson: That the meeting is being recorded, and that includes chats and private chats.

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Sandra Jackson: If you are dialed in, everyone is muted upon entry, and if you are dialed in and needs to speak, you would need to press Star 6 to unmute yourself.

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Sandra Jackson: and then our anti-trust policy. If you have any questions about it, you can reach out to your organization's legal counsel, or if you are a member of the Lf. You can reach out to Andrew

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Sandra Jackson: up to grove of the firm. Guess not up to Grove Llp.

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Sandra Jackson: On the agenda for today.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, that's better

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Sandra Jackson: on the agenda for today, we have some release

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Sandra Jackson: updates. If we have any relunge updates.

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Sandra Jackson: ptl updates in our

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Sandra Jackson: regular subcommittee updates.

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Sandra Jackson: Is there anything that needs to be added to the agenda or any questions about it?

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Sandra Jackson: Okay, well, I'm gonna take the silence as everyone is good with the agenda, so we'll jump right into it.

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Sandra Jackson: and we'll jump down to

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Sandra Jackson: released as.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hi, Sandra. So this is ongoing project status in New Yearly release.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then key update. We add a new column which is associated Jira ticket I think, Cps and policy team. They fill up the Jira tickets. So other Pta, we have to ask them to fill up the Jira ticket if they have it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's the kind of update.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And as I mentioned last week, we are preparing Lfn Etf. Session for new daily project

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Byung-Woo Jun: status and key update. I plan to present that one

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Byung-Woo Jun: and with others.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then last one we need to start thinking about the auto release schedule.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So usually. Lf, and dtf, we, we talk about what's the current release, which is new Delhi? And what is the Oslo

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Byung-Woo Jun: next release schedule or some

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Byung-Woo Jun: agenda.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So that's why we need to think about as a Tsc member we have to think about. And also

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Byung-Woo Jun: Pto has any suggestion for Oslo. Please let us know.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Pavel.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So we need to, you know.

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Byung-Woo Jun: form up some of the also release plan.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah. Pdf, okay.

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Paweł Pawlak: Definitely. Thank you. Being, yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Back to you.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: do we have any relange updates

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Sandra Jackson: about the document build?

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Sandra Jackson: I don't even know.

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Paweł Pawlak: I see Thomas is connected. So

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Paweł Pawlak: just to update you, Thomas, we had some discussion at the one of the previous meetings.

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Paweł Pawlak: and there are some

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Paweł Pawlak: pending merges right in the documentation.

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Thomas Kulik: Yeah, that's correct.

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Thomas Kulik: I think it. Now. There are a little bit less, but I think 5 6 patches are still pending, but not sure.

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Thomas Kulik: I need to double check if those projects are unmaintained. So

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Thomas Kulik: And also we have errors. As you mentioned it here which do not relate to the changes I did in in documentation. So now there are python errors, or something else that maybe must be fixed from people who are aware of the

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Thomas Kulik: so April. Not not sure. I I can't help here, so unfortunately.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So, Thomas, you said you're talking about 1 37 for

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Byung-Woo Jun: 4, 4, right.

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Thomas Kulik: This is the one I tried, and this come up with python errors. Yeah, this is example. As an example. Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: so yeah, even, didn't we? You know. Ask, you know, what's going on?

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Byung-Woo Jun: So, okay, yeah, I don't know why python check fail. I think, though, I look at the changes, not

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Byung-Woo Jun: big changes, more simple changes. Okay, just the URL changes. Right?

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Byung-Woo Jun: I don't know.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I'm not sure Andreas has some idea or something.

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Paweł Pawlak: But Matt is connected. Maybe Matt and I

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Matthew Watkins: What's set up regarding. Sorry I'm on. I'm on phone. I'm not at my desktop, so I'm struggling a little bit to keep up.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah, yeah. So we have this documentation updates that are.

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Paweł Pawlak: let's say, not complete, and some some pending.

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Paweł Pawlak: Then we have those python checks right? That fail.

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Matthew Watkins: Thomas Kulick, some working on the documentation updates. Yeah, they're blocked for a number of reasons. My feeling is that we're

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Matthew Watkins: We're getting a bit of a bit rot in some of these repositories where they're not being actively maintained.

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Matthew Watkins: the issues blocking Thomas, is that some of the some of them the linking tools. Various other things need very minor tweaks. Now I gave Thomas Pointes on 2 of the tickets. One of them was actually test failing. And that means the test either need updating or the issues with the code needs to be solved. They're being blocked on verification phase. And I can't override the verification fight. This is only one member of the team who can. And that's Andrew. So while I understand these docs updates and a benign

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Matthew Watkins: unless somebody from the project steps in these repositories always gonna be blocked on future updates. What we need to see is some people getting all hands on deck from the project, getting into these really pose and fixing underlying problems with verification failures. One case it's like the arguments being passed. Abasha. There was another thing with the linking setup. In some cases minor conflict changes. But you know, I pointed out to Tom with some of these issues. And that's why we bought this in front of you guys today, I think there's something like 6 or 8 repositories where he's got changes blocked.

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Matthew Watkins: And it just needs some eyeballs on this from the project. So it's up to you guys to see if you can resource fixing this so that you can move forward and get those patches merged.

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Paweł Pawlak: Can we be more specific on which projects we are talking about? And then, you know

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Paweł Pawlak: well, I mean to us, try to.

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Matthew Watkins: Well, Thomas Thomas has the list. It's it's just his list of unmerge changes from from Mona. So you can. You can see you can basically do a query in Garrett.

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Matthew Watkins: Do some information? Yeah.

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Thomas Kulik: Yup, give me a second! Give me a second. I would paste into the chat.

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Paweł Pawlak: Thank you. Thank you. Thomas.

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Thomas Kulik: There we are! Huh!

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Matthew Watkins: But I mean ideally. In some cases these may be repos which are actively maintained anymore, or the maintainers have moved on. The issue here is any change is going to get blocked because Thomas is changes to documentation. A very benign is but the problem here is this, these, these needs. Some. These do need some attention to bring them up to spec.

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Thomas Kulik: Yeah. Also discuss, was Matt. If there is if we have errors in unmaintained projects, there is nobody else that may fix those things so

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Thomas Kulik: not sure if we we can add also lfit to to as in and review, are for those repos who are unmaintained because otherwise we, we will never get a react reaction.

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Matthew Watkins: Well, Thomas, I mean it. This this requires them effort from the project, I mean. Dls don't go into maintaining repositories on behalf of projects. That's that's not our job, Thomas. We're here. We're sit here to support the deadbox operations and the pipelines

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Matthew Watkins: and the other infrastructure. It is down to the project. To do this. Now, my point would be, this is, this is a this is not repo, specific knowledge that you need. This is general general kind of configuration of a repository. So I don't see that that can maintain necessarily a blocker. It's resourcing. The task is the problem, not the level of expertise, because this is essentially trivial changes required to the vinting set of and other things, and some cases it may be the test that me looking at, but that might be require a bit more specific knowledge, either

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Matthew Watkins: that. But there's only one of the 3 that I looked at the way the tests were failing, the other 2 were very minor adjustments to repository setup. Yeah.

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Andreas Geissler: I also agree. So basically, what we could do is

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Andreas Geissler: I mean, we can. We can go through them. I think it's for, for example, basically some missing empty space behind a comma. That was, I was just looking also into the into the modeling ones of the first one. So it's really obviously only one. Let's say, small small change.

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Matthew Watkins: Yeah.

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Andreas Geissler: Definitely. It is the question I don't know whether one of these other projects are

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Andreas Geissler: already unmaintained, but I don't think so. I think they are, or let's see on on archive mode. I don't think so. Right? So they are

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Andreas Geissler: basically all

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Andreas Geissler: it's main.

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Matthew Watkins: Yes.

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Andreas Geissler: Right so, and.

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Matthew Watkins: Yeah, Steve.

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Andreas Geissler: Yeah, the optimization framework is, I think, also, still not multi. Cloud is not and Nfbo as well. So

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Andreas Geissler: yeah, optimization framework. Sdc.

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Andreas Geissler: I mean, have we? I can have a look, and may may have a chain change or make some changes then, and and then we'll try to fix that.

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Andreas Geissler: So maybe it's it's it's yeah possible today.

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Matthew Watkins: Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's a huge amount of work. In some cases it's very minor changes that required. It's just. It's just Thomas is going to be blocked until

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Andreas Geissler: Yeah, yeah.

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Matthew Watkins: We get this fixed.

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Andreas Geissler: Okay, maybe I will go anyway, with next week with Thomas through the list, and maybe we can make some fixes directly there. Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: Hmm, would be great. Thank you. Andres.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: And right.

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Sandra Jackson: I did drop the link here.

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Sandra Jackson: so if anyone wants to go and review it.

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Sandra Jackson: you have access to it.

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Sandra Jackson: Anything else on this topic.

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Sandra Jackson: Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: can we move on to Ptl updates or do or wait? Did we do update on Github actions.

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Jessica Wagantall: There's there's still. We're still working on the Clm. Results.

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Jessica Wagantall: on in parallel. We got the sonor job working as well, so, I'm also testing that one. So both of them are happening testing in parallel.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay, great. Thank you. Jess.

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Sandra Jackson: Thank you.

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Sandra Jackson: I can't spell. Okay.

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Sandra Jackson: okay. Ptl, updates.

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Paweł Pawlak: Well, in fact, this is the information about those python dependency.

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Paweł Pawlak: Right? So we we

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Paweł Pawlak: briefly touch touch this already right.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Same issue, same issue.

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Paweł Pawlak: Okay, we have a ticket.

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Paweł Pawlak: Hmm.

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Paweł Pawlak: yeah. So I think we, we, we have it covered here.

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Paweł Pawlak: So we can move to the subcommittee updates.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I wanting the archiving old project at Tsc level. So you already discussed, or part of the line.

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Paweł Pawlak: No! No! No! No! Sorry! Sorry!

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: Yeah.

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Paweł Pawlak: yeah, yeah, this is something that we should address. But

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Paweł Pawlak: looking at today.

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Paweł Pawlak: representation of the Tsc members.

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Paweł Pawlak: I have some some doubts we don't know. Do we have a

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Paweł Pawlak: oh, we have. Okay, maybe we have a

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Paweł Pawlak: I don't want to say small, but majority.

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Paweł Pawlak: okay, so so, m.

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Paweł Pawlak: in fact, we should be able to to to do this archiving right

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Paweł Pawlak: So here beyond, we are

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Paweł Pawlak: or the let's say acceptance from the from the Tsc. For that.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think that we need the least. We need the least of all project. And then, you know, show. And then, you know Tsc approve. That's that's the one. Probably we have to work on the list.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So I mean, we have a list of the old the project. I think

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Byung-Woo Jun: then, after collecting, and maybe next we can give some Tsc voting. So I mean, who who has a list? We have an initial list, I think the

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Byung-Woo Jun: so, Andreas, do you have a old project list archive to.

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Andreas Geissler: I have at least a list where I know that there is nothing. No one is developing anything, and mostly most likely no one has interest in that

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Andreas Geissler: and it and the other thing which we are coming in the next

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Andreas Geissler: our position.

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Andreas Geissler: We might have an issue

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Andreas Geissler: if no one is maintaining it or changing something, that the compatibility will be lost to the new releases, and therefore we might then at least disable it from distribution and maybe archiving it. Yeah, right?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Test. So I think, though, if you have released, then probably you can share to with the Tsc, then we're gonna go through. And then we're gonna

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Byung-Woo Jun: big decision. Next week.

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Sandra Jackson: Gonna email, the list? Or or is there a link.

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Andreas Geissler: I could try to to make the com. Let's say, compilation of what I see is really not used anymore or not maintained anymore.

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Paweł Pawlak: okay, well, I'm not.

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. So then we'll move on to the subcommittee updates, do we have any updates about the d map?

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Byung-Woo Jun: The mail, Mr. The application stay ongoing under Andrea's team, and he's there working and then also policy Ramesh, they are working together. And the this one, I think, though, there's a separate session. OM update, I think Andrew is gonna provide more detail. But this is the one. So Andrew is, gonna give more detail. And then this is the second one is the nephew. 6. Collaboration. I share this, but there's additional

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Byung-Woo Jun: the email, Mr. Duplication Andrews will discuss in the after 2 session the 2 column later, 2 rows. Okay, back to you.

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Sandra Jackson: Yup, are you seeing the agenda again.

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Sandra Jackson: thank you for that, Andreas.

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Sandra Jackson: For about an hour. If that most times it doesn't even take an hour. And you're just going to be representing your community and making sure that anything any of the topics get on the schedule and and the scheduling piece of it is not a heavy lift.

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Sandra Jackson: do you just think it's going to be too much? Is everybody too busy? I'm just trying to figure out what we can do to get a volunteer for this.

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Andreas Geissler: Om is enough, and I have enough enough other topics on on the Dt. Side. That's not possible.

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Sandra Jackson: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what the reservations are, cause maybe I can help alleviate those. So if if you are interested. Or if you have reservations, would you please email me and let me know? So we can answer any questions that you may have? I do wanna bring up last minute last week, and I forgot to put this on the agenda last week.

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Sandra Jackson: I talked about slack not being available after today. So I just wanted to bring that up again to make sure that if you have slack

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Sandra Jackson: you probably need to access it today, because this would be the last day you'll have the avail, the availability to do that?

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Sandra Jackson: Alright. Well, thank you all, and we'll see you same time. Same place next week.

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Sandra Jackson: Have a good one.

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