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07:03:56 Okay, there's that
07:04:06 Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Good night, depending on where you are.
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07:05:30 What do we have going today
07:05:39 Talk about the release. a little bit and now let's maintain repos, talk about our infrastructure stuff that's always couple of ptl updates a new komari step down as a cps
07:06:01 committer, and I just shrikumar step down as a policy committer.
07:06:06 So. thanks, folks, for your contributions over the time in your role.
07:06:15 Thank you.
07:06:21 Couple of updates coming from the tech meeting. Magnus will be giving us a follow up to the next 5 years presentation.
07:06:32 That was discussed at the Dtf in Portal
07:06:42 Talk a little bit about things that are going get the budget.
07:06:46 I've pulled the stats we'll review that today.
07:06:48 I'll go ahead and check that off the elections in place, and the awards will cover, and then upcoming events.
07:06:57 Anything anyone else I would like to add to the agenda today.
07:07:04 Thank you, Katherine.
07:07:11 Thank you. Thank you so much. signing is only a requirement for the actual Tsc. members.
07:07:19 But thank you. anyway. I think I got everyone. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
07:07:32 Yes, okay, with that. then I will stop and turn it over to David Mcbride.
07:07:54 Oh, except they don't see David on the call
07:08:05 Let's see you got a slack from me he says he's having technical issues, and he needs to restart his computer.
07:08:14 Okay, then. So let me go back to
07:08:21 Sharing the prezo here. pop forward to the infrastructure issues.
07:08:28 So we have a couple of tickets here. One is for this own app eu domain.
07:08:50 And this isn't yes, so maybe I don't know if Michelle is there or onreas.
07:09:01 But but we we had the meeting early this week I hope you can hear me.
07:09:06 I'm not sure so we had a meeting early this week.
07:09:10 We still van to understand a little bit the whole of onap dot au domain.
07:09:17 And my understanding is that that's why if you type on a nap au domain.
07:09:23 You will have the the notes, and if you click on the it ticket you have the it tickets.
07:09:27 So my understanding is that the owner you domain, as listed here, is required to do a little bit test automation referring to
07:09:43 Some containers the equivalent of nexus to the
07:09:49 The gating that we have on Asia and and other stuff. right?
07:09:53 So we might be able to clean up at 1 point and come back on our solution.
07:10:00 When we have the get lap set up but there's a request, it's only €20 per year.
07:10:06 There is a request that we sponsorize for another year right that we spend 20 years after the 20 of October, so we have more time to finalize.
07:10:19 The fact that we are shifting, you know, to to the new github shifting away potentially from Asia.
07:10:29 This type of thing. So that's that's that's the request, because this domain is a kind of reference which is used in a lot of I would say, jenkins job whatever just to ensure that everything is still
07:10:45 running to do all this thing. so so That's my understanding I don't know Again, if Michelle and Andreas are on the call.
07:10:53 I I joined a little bit late today. so I'm in so maybe ugly as you will explain with the better better way.
07:11:04 But the request is, Can we spend €20 right? Yeah.
07:11:08 So so in in the in the get that in the gate, that pipelines which we are using for on the on on one hand for the for the installation automated to testing for gating and the daily test
07:11:26 we are using this domain to to link to to let's say, or to to get stuff from the azure nexus, and so on, and to make it easier otherwise we would always name or need to check and to to change ip addresses
07:11:46 and whatever, and therefore Savon did on his own costs.
07:11:52 This already registered this on his own costs the open up you domain
07:12:00 And this is, of course, as as Catherine explained.
07:12:05 Now to be whatever migrated to or or shifted to to Linux Foundation, or to some some others, and the money has to be spent, which is said that already said that these head of €20 and then definitely it would make
07:12:23 sense, then, to get for a new solution when we have them also be the migration done so.
07:12:29 I think that makes it would make it, at least for us much easier to continue and not spend again more work on on these kind of things.
07:12:38 I think we are I think that's great and all M.
07:12:42 Team is busy on on many of of these issues, which need to be resolved, and I think that would make sense, and give us at least 1 one year to to solve that issue, and may change it to some more let's say
07:12:59 meaningful, or even to own up the Orc, whatever domains and whatever.
07:13:04 Yeah, yeah, no. I think what's being explained there makes perfect sense, and and and €20 is a is is is less than a rounding error.
07:13:17 In in the terms of the overall own at Budget so that I I I don't see a thing like a an issue with this.
07:13:26 We will need to get the ownership of that transferred over to the Linux Foundation.
07:13:31 And and we would go. Yeah, we can start working on that.
07:13:36 So yeah, I don't see an issue with this and this makes absolute perfect sense.
07:13:44 In the context of not creating a lot of unnecessary work immediately in the context of this migration.
07:13:53 To get lab so i'm I do not see an issue with this at least, if if from from a logic or budget perspective, anyone from it wanna chime in on the moving the domain
07:14:18 Ownership
07:14:24 Okay, hearing nothing. I think that this is probably a okay thing to do.
07:14:30 Thank you, Linux Foundation, and if we can just put the notes that we are in alignment.
07:14:39 So if we are, if we we have a a checking record
07:14:49 From we will need sylvan's assistance and actually transferring the domain, since he's the Colonel
07:15:06 Can you go back to that other page that's one yes, the last part.
07:15:13 There will be want to talk about that one or not that's my team.
07:15:21 We can talk. we can talk about anything right? Yes, one is also his personal email address. And we want to change that onto 200. Another email.
07:15:31 Address. since sylvan is not really involved in owner. the first step could be Yes, to get him to log in and change the email address to another person.
07:15:42 We didn't own up, should it go to a an individual, or should it go it has to go to mail mail distribution list.
07:15:51 But if you just want to do something quick, we can change to another private person with in own up I can.
07:15:59 I. We have a little bit better control, and we change it later to a distribution.
07:16:03 Since sylvan is not really involved in or not.
07:16:12 A male reflector using Pcc: Okay, So all I would need is the list of names that need to be on that.
07:16:18 Yeah. and and what we wanna call it, Silva needs to log in and add an extra email address.
07:16:26 And then very far that that email address is okay, and then make this other email address as primary.
07:16:34 And then we can remove the old email address Okay, well, actually, it's a reverse order of things we need to set up the alias first.
07:16:42 So there's something to send it to I guess sort of we could use some number private, so we have with another person, instead of trying to get the proper setup immediately.
07:16:53 But anyway, it doesn't matter which way we go
07:17:05 So I just yeah, I just need to know i'm compelling out Yes, i'll find out and then i'll set that up in Pcc.
07:17:15 Right away. and then that's the the address will give still on
07:17:26 Okay. So this is apparently all integration, and all M.
07:17:31 Committers would have access that's what's in the ticket
07:17:39 Makes sense.
07:17:47 You don't need to send you an email with the users Kenny.
07:17:52 Yeah, or just dropping into the slack, and then
07:17:57 Well, I can start off by just creating the creating the alias and adding you to it.
07:18:04 Okay, starters. Just what do we want to call it?
07:18:17 The Gary user is owned up job deployers or something with that
07:18:33 Okay, So don't deploy your Yeah.
07:18:41 Okay, wha yeah, i'll call it only a job deploy your admin or something like that.
07:18:47 Okay, I will do that. Quite possibly during the meeting
07:18:57 And just put you in it for now. Okay. So this is 3, 4, 5, 3, 2, 2, 4, 5, 3, 2,
07:19:14 Okay.
07:19:20 That that the I wish you could do in line assignments
07:19:44 This is for I it 2, 4, 5, 3, 2,
07:20:05 Oh, I wasn't logged in all rats okay i'll just and paste.
07:20:14 Yeah, that's one
07:20:22 As we are talking about events, address the he still let's say input of Yamo in the Oh, M.
07:20:33 Reapo. That means for my understanding. He would be always included in every Garrett Review, and gets all the males right.
07:20:45 I think that's automatically sued right so whatever whoever is in the info at Yamo will be part of the reviewers automatically.
07:20:56 Part of the Reviews list. right
07:21:04 I think so. But should it actually be involved in included in the info files?
07:21:07 Or yeah, I think he a a As he is not working anymore for the Om project.
07:21:12 I I guess he should be removed right so that he's also not getting as we don't have a ptl anymore.
07:21:25 And he's Not anymore. I guess that we just need to to to to remove him right from the from the info.
07:21:32 Again. If this is possible to have a input or demo without ptf, I don't know, and that's no good.
07:21:43 Okay. let me. might leave him in
07:21:50 Okay, but we can discuss this this outline.
07:22:01 Kind of critical, which is the one for the town the one that's inviting.
07:22:07 Yes, That's exactly yeah i'll i'll I'll i'm just back on vacation. so I need to check that with me.
07:22:15 How that's right. Yeah, Yeah, I know I know ?
07:22:23 So we we know all about this is just we're We're waiting on Mikhail right? someone preferences. someone from own up from orange to submit the license file that will be the best but
07:22:35 otherwise. Yeah, someone needs to submit it
07:22:45 And I think that's it for me
07:23:04 It doesn't necessarily have to be someone from orange that's the best scenario, if someone from Orange to it.
07:23:11 But they have already submitted the license file into get.
07:23:16 So we just need someone to copy it across to Garrett
07:23:23 That's my understanding from it though
07:23:33 Or on slash Ownup is probably better to write. Hmm.
07:23:41 Someone forum
07:23:45 So you mean the the license file is in gitlab right?
07:23:51 That should we should be able to do this, not a problem
07:24:02 Okay.
07:24:08 Anything else.
07:24:13 That's it
07:24:19 Okay, i'll stop sharing and turn it over to David Then alright, Thanks, Kenny, Let's see.
07:24:30 I guess I need permission to share didn't come in as a trusted person.
07:24:38 I must not be signed in, I guess. Yeah, there you go.
07:24:43 Thank you.
07:24:50 Alright sorry for the Disruption. This morning I was having problems with my computer, but I seem to be back together again.
07:24:57 So i'm just getting caught up on what happened while I was gone on vacation last week.
07:25:06 I want to talk a little bit about there was some confusion going back to 2 weeks ago when we change the schedule, and just wanted to talk about that a little bit just to make sure that we're all on the
07:25:21 same page. so I had thought that what we had agreed was that we would shift M. 3 and M.
07:25:33 4 each by one week. that m. 3 would have been scheduled for day.
07:25:44 No sorry would have been scheduled for last week, and then M.
07:25:48 4 on the 20 s, and then, after talking with with Katherine and Kenny yesterday about this.
07:25:59 What a What I came to understand was that the agreement was actually that we would shift the both M.
07:26:07 3 and m 4 to the same date on september 20 s.
07:26:12 And so i've as you can see i've updated schedule to reflect that
07:26:20 So. I apologize for the the confusion about that.
07:26:23 I I obviously misunderstood what the agreement was so I hope that's clear.
07:26:28 Now, let's talk about milestone status so we're at least when I looked at this yesterday.
07:26:40 We're getting very close to concluding all of the tasks for M.
07:26:48 3,
07:26:54 As you could see, we just have 3 remaining looks like we have 2 from Of.
07:27:06 And one from D map. do we have a D map or oo teams represented on the call today?
07:27:17 Anyway. No, I don't think fake is here i've talked to him for and do he was on it.
07:27:26 But I can remind him that would be helpful.
07:27:30 Thank you. And then looking at m 4 I I publish the tasks before I went on vacation.
07:27:43 At the end of August. and so as you can see for the requirement owners.
07:27:49 We are, we've completed roughly a third of the tasks, and probably a approximately the same for for the projects.
07:28:00 So. we have one more week in order to maintain our current schedule.
07:28:07 So I just ask all of the the ptls to take a look at these and and get them completed as quickly as possible.
07:28:22 And I think, I think right now, I think that's That's basically it for the the release status I sent out the weekly update which basically reflects what I just said yesterday.
07:28:38 You should be able to find that in your inbox I usually link that in the and the agenda.
07:28:44 But i've got to do that yesterday. any questions about release status.
07:28:53 Switching gears looking ahead. to the London release i'm going to be putting together a schedule proposal.
07:29:03 This week, and I hope to share that with ptls next week, and then probably also start socializing it.
07:29:14 With the the open daylight team. Excuse me, we have our weekly or sorry.
07:29:25 Our monthly own app ode i'll sync next week, and we're planning to repeat what we did for the cone release, which is start sharing the schedule early and make sure that
07:29:43 we have a a good sync point on for integrating open daylight.
07:29:54 That allows Dan and his team enough time to complete the the integration.
07:30:02 So look for that. i'll probably be asking the the ptl, or sorry the Tsc.
07:30:12 To approve the London schedule in the next couple of weeks, and that's it for me, Kenny, unless there any questions
07:30:28 Okay, look. Thank you, David. Okay, Where were we? We were here
07:30:49 Okay, Catherine, you wanna do a quick recap of attack.
07:30:56 Yes, so we. So once per year, I would say we got a request to make a presentation about what they call the project.
07:31:09 Ill schedule. So it's to share a little bit what we've accomplished from one year to another year a little bit like we had the presentation to the board now, because we are a little bit under transition
07:31:24 Originally we were scheduled to be the first to quiz, because I will not say we have some experience to share what what?
07:31:35 What we do. never gonna I felt that because we are under our under transition it would be nice that the next Tsc.
07:31:44 We present maybe their priorities. Their view so I have suggested to delay the presentation of what we call on a project is a little bit later.
07:31:56 So that that's already one statement and the other statement up to now I was replaceding so Leon up.
07:32:07 I I will continue to represent on up until the election but I think it's important that the new Tsc.
07:32:17 We'll also notify either it could be a tsc share function whatever.
07:32:22 But somebody will also need to represent the on-up committee.
07:32:27 Out during this call as well. so it was just to give you an edge of that one.
07:32:33 I'm. happy to continue until the election but since I will not be part of the Tse.
07:32:39 Somebody will need To on the committee here at the tech call.
07:32:44 It's happening every 2 weeks, so it's not a weekly meeting, and in addition to that, we will need to prepare a kind of project presentation to the tech team as Well, so I don't let you go
07:33:00 I mean, if you need any support or anything from me, to to prepare and give you what you have done.
07:33:08 Happy to help. Okay, So we just and it's up about what's coming.
07:33:14 No date, no committed date. Yet I need to decide. I let the new Tsc.
07:33:20 Decide any question.
07:33:29 Okay, ,
07:33:35 Okay. Next enterprise meeting will be on the 20 first.
07:33:40 Next on app saver Work group will be on the 28, and Magnus let me get you promoted here.
07:33:51 Yes, Maybe I should share, so I can control the switching between the slides.
07:34:08 So can you see? Yes, sir. Okay. So so what I did I told you last time.
07:34:17 Maybe I can get it into present them, or even okay.
07:34:21 So. so I took the slides that that we presented at the portrait.
07:34:29 Meeting this myself, liam? and and Timo?
07:34:34 And then I listen to the recording. I put all the sort of Yeah, I I I wrote it a slide per per per person that commented.
07:34:45 And and here is sort of a list of additional people that that made comments.
07:34:53 And then I I put that into the to an extended slide. set and I send it out for people to prove frequency if they they liked it.
07:35:04 I I got a response from from ranny liam Katherine and and Timo on the additions have made but they were the with the source, for I I didn't get any direct feedback from Lukash Sashu
07:35:24 Alessandro or mark So but I I sort of took the ball decision to still sort of bring that information to you, since I I gave them a chat a chance to to rectify if I got something wrong and yeah,
07:35:45 they? they still have the chance for that, of course. but yeah, yeah.
07:35:53 You can always remind people. try to get that. But yeah, I I went along with this, so I will just flip through the slides here, show you
07:36:07 You can read on your own. It was the yeah at the Trust.
07:36:11 Of course, I will say the original slides that I showed in Porto that i'm flipping through now and this was a slide from from team on the requirements. subcommittee.
07:36:24 This as well as substance, and some mobile. And then I added, Then an extra sort of coming from Timo from Lukash Rami, and also Randy sent me afterwards.
07:36:45 The last sentence here last sentence is here as a as an add on.
07:36:50 So the the most important thing is, not whether I captured what was said in Porto correctly, but that,
07:36:57 That people have had a chance to sort of reflect on the material the ones that commented at the conference.
07:37:06 Liam. Alessandro, Katherine and Mark Philadelphia talked to separately.
07:37:16 After the presentation, and then I maybe I should go through some suggested conclusions that I draw out of this material, although my my thinking here is to to plan for a task. force.
07:37:35 They said that the you know first conclusion would be not less interest now.
07:37:41 But the community is as strong as the size value of contributions, and it is natural that the number of code contributions decreased.
07:37:53 As the project continues I also think, that's what we learned in porter was that people are maybe taking more we're doing more work on, on demo and on pox and on using the the code.
07:38:09 And then to bring in new code, although I think rules have a a a decline.
07:38:18 But but yeah, you can measure interest in different ways. The value of owner is moving from platform to components that is disputed to put in that sort of disclaimer here, because there, there it is There are different opinions on
07:38:34 that provide common support for component development and community trials, build environment guidelines on security and Api logging metrics that components can can use.
07:38:50 And just as a side note I'm at the open source summit in in Dublin this week, and there is a lot of emphasis on on security.
07:39:03 It's coming up this may be the main topic here in the open source community.
07:39:10 Next line here for supply ecosystem that the last the community to trial network automation applications for their domains.
07:39:21 Important in the community to share the experience and offer help to others.
07:39:26 Some companies that use code will but not use code. But, do not contribute how to engage the community more streamlined.
07:39:37 The requirement process test team who was pointing out there could be very few people in the in the requirement.
07:39:47 Subcommittee meetings, and also there are very few requirements coming in, so I have to do something there.
07:39:56 Welcome the value augmentation, is it Is it the room architecture?
07:40:04 Are we producing key components? Do we need a convince your boss, Kit?
07:40:09 And so on. done also a a conclusion here to establish a maybe use a group than to make Demos too large to larger audience.
07:40:25 Also what came up in this material. See collaboration with other open source projects like you know.
07:40:32 Cfmco elevates a greeno, and then Ranny added this in his last common scribe for becoming an internal part of initiatives, such as Fuji super group print and an open ram and that I mean
07:40:48 we have had the that that outreach, but maybe in through part, then would be a a closer collaboration with that.
07:41:03 So that is the that material that I put together as a starting point for a a task force at least, is my my suggestion.
07:41:18 Are there any any comments on this questions?
07:41:32 Just wanted to say that that we and dt or a mark and I as i'm just back on vacation, and so your your slides, I will.
07:41:38 We will have a chat in the next week, so most likely weeks a lot as Mark is next week on vacation.
07:41:45 So we will go through the and then also add to make some additions over more comments on that.
07:41:51 Yeah. Okay, thanks. bye, bye, appreciate the work It's really good.
07:41:56 A very good slide set, and so on,
07:42:03 I have a comment, and so I I I I concur with benny's point number 11 in the industry.
07:42:12 There's a lot of action there's a lot of energy in with 5 G.
07:42:18 And I think overall There's a lot of value in all the different open source working on that.
07:42:25 But somehow, it's it's not it's not connecting as well as it should.
07:42:31 I, in my opinion, so I think we should try to do more.
07:42:36 And the other. So manuscript I have was not actually aware of this. I'm Happy to to give my comments the only other broad comment I would make is or not is open source.
07:42:47 So. it should be very easy for universities to participate more and so, and and somehow that can be.
07:42:54 And we have. There are some definitely and so especially on the fiveg side.
07:43:01 There's obviously old N. Sc. So if we can somehow leverage the fact that it is open source and and lower barriers for people to engage. there is some happening.
07:43:13 But but that's maybe one way to to put Yeah, yeah, we We talked about that and sort of during configuration in Porto, and also in a bit in this material.
07:43:26 There is sister. Is there some hurdles for people to go in?
07:43:29 Is it difficult? do you don't feel welcome and so on and maybe it's it's worth sort of looking into that also here in in Dublin area did on on how to engage?
07:43:47 How how, if people feel sort of welcome so that's maybe something we should look into
07:43:57 Sorry. Yep. sorry. Please go ahead So thank you.
07:44:04 So we we had a lot of discussion yesterday at the architecture subcommittee meeting about this initiative, which I believe is great initiative, and the fact that you're, it's being sponsored by by
07:44:19 the service provider. i'm sorry the vendor it's all.
07:44:27 I think it's very important to everybody including the service providers, and so on.
07:44:31 The as with everything that we do with on app the term the terminology is broad.
07:44:44 So. So when when we start thinking about own app for the next 5 years
07:44:48 I don't think you know, I Think I Think people would have a hard time understanding what that means.
07:44:56 Right and I think this is the struggle that we've had at least from my personal perspective.
07:45:06 This is the struggle that we've been having with own absence day one.
07:45:08 It's such a broad project, and broad initiative that is very easy for newcomers to get lost in the individual components, and not being able to understand the the larger goal of the platform, So one of the things that we
07:45:31 focused on the discussion yesterday at the architecture. subcommittee meeting is a terminology that we've used in the past, which is modularity.
07:45:43 And you know, at least from my perspective, we need to break down this initiative into a smaller components that can be measurable and can be well understood by everyone.
07:45:59 So i'm just giving you an example if the focus is to enhance or to to focus on making own app modular.
07:46:14 Then we need to focus the task force and i'll be glad to be part of the task force to define exactly what that means in the timeframe for accomplishing some of the goals that we the subcommittee or
07:46:32 the task force, or whatever whatever we want to call it comes up with and make sure that the entire community is okay with it.
07:46:40 So. so i'll just up there for now just to get your feedback and somebody else is you know everybody else's feedback.
07:46:46 But we really have to break the discussion down to a smaller components that can be well understood by everyone, and they can be deliver, delivered and track as such.
07:47:09 Yeah, I I resonate with that shocker and it is that's also I mean, there is parts of that in in the in the material.
07:47:18 I I think I you. I used to the title next 5 years as sort of making a positive spin on this also sort of showing some some fighting spirits here.
07:47:34 But I I don't Think we should call the the the task force nest next 5 years It it's it will take you will take away that title.
07:47:44 It's a transformation, and and I think we're looking at that rather immediate sort of We have to have to start this, and we don't certainly don't have very long time I think to to to set the
07:47:59 new scene, and I I also heard from being that you had the discussion with on the modularity I i'm i'm happy about that.
07:48:11 And and you're right I mean we we are in a different situation than in the beginning of the own up initiative, and we have to to adapt to that I also listen to a very interesting presentation
07:48:24 here doubling on the openstack, and and these learnings from from that, and and what what sort of
07:48:33 Yeah, what's happened and where it is Now, so I think you can learn from other open source projects.
07:48:42 Also, if what they have, yeah, what they have done and how to to to continue the work.
07:48:49 Okay.
07:48:55 So one of the This is interesting cause.
07:49:01 The topic was raised. related to this Yesterday came up actually during a marketing call,
07:49:11 And one of the things that nicholas creamy told me when he started as an intern was Kenny.
07:49:19 It's almost impossible to find anything online about learning own app he said.
07:49:31 If you you know it's like, Oh, kubernetes you know, Go to Youtube and you say you know, Kubernetes, and you'll get because zoom in different short videos of from different people saying hey here's an
07:49:48 overview of it, and here's what it does and etc., etc.
07:49:53 He says, there's virtually no no consumable content for own app available online.
07:50:04 So as a barrier. that that that's an issue, and and we were talking about in this marketing meeting yesterday.
07:50:14 How the training materials that are available, the the formal training materials that are available for own app or like, based upon Dublin.
07:50:27 So in in terms of making phone app digestible I I I think that we need to invest some effort there because it's we.
07:50:41 We've we've treated that piece of it as a community a little bit like a drive by commit we we, we, we! we drop it and move on.
07:50:56 So just I I think you're right Kenny, although there are exceptions, there are some projects to within own up that have made an effort in in a rather good sort of description, and and and at least, text, maybe not Youtube
07:51:16 but but the text, and and and sort of intro, and the primary to the to the project.
07:51:24 But and that it depends on where we, where we, what we conclude on in this work.
07:51:33 How much how important the platform is and out project.
07:51:40 So also learning from from this summit that I mean it.
07:51:43 It is. There are people that are sort of dedicated doing one thing rather niche.
07:51:52 You could say and that that makes it it's more comprehensible.
07:51:58 It's it's more easy, to to understand exactly what what they're what they do, and what their mission is because they can put that into sort of a few lines and they can explain exactly what technology, they're working with so so maybe
07:52:15 one way of doing this more understandable is, when you do the more modularity, that you also have a good description for each of the modules.
07:52:25 So so can it. just to to insert just a comment to what you just said. the observation, which is a good observation.
07:52:35 I. I worked with Nicolas as well. and I gave him full access to the Doc.
07:52:46 Navigator, which actually helped him tremendously, trying to understand, at least at high level what the app is all about.
07:52:53 Right. But when when you look at the own app as a platform understanding, the platform is requires that you understand these services.
07:53:13 And you understand not only you understand the technology, but you don't need to understand the business aspects of what the platform is doing.
07:53:21 If you if you're not familiar with virtualization, if you're not familiar with networking, if you're not familiar with inventories, if you're not familiar with data, collection analytics, and how or they all
07:53:34 fit together, and they play nice and play nicely on the same sandbox.
07:53:39 You will have a hard time understanding what the own app is all about, and the same goes to openstack unless you understand the individual components.
07:53:47 Whether it does the network in, whether it is the storage, whether it is the compute trying to put all these things together becomes very, very difficult.
07:53:56 So the background of the person that is trying to understand the platform is just as important as the you know, understanding all the individual components within that platform, because you won't be able to connect the dots if you don't understand what the basic premise or
07:54:14 what the basic goal of the platform is. So people that you know, the the interns that I work with.
07:54:26 They come in their feedback is very very critical because they they've never been exposed to the platform, and they're helping us trying to figure out what is the best way to introduce people to the platform.
07:54:42 However, that required knowledge; that is, it, at least from my perspective, will little bit assumed.
07:54:55 That required not only is critical for anybody to understand what the end entire purpose of the platform is, if you don't have that knowledge, you will struggle, trying to try to understand what the cloud form of the entire platform is all about and one less
07:55:11 comment. Magnus just said, is critical about modularity.
07:55:18 If we get to the point where we break down the major components and start to document the purpose of each and every component as an individual component as a standalone component, and then how it fits into the bigger puzzle
07:55:36 Perhaps that would help people understand, you know. Get to the the point where they can understand the platform with the data
07:55:52 Makes perfect sense. Okay.
07:55:58 Okay, I i'll make a proposal if I share this again.
07:56:04 So the the people that that made this presentation pass to people that that made comments.
07:56:11 I will call, I will assume that they want to be part of a a a task force also heard that Chunka is interested and shocker and and also talk to buying who's interested out of the youngest online
07:56:30 but anyway, I know he has an interest, and I will start by calling those people and others that want to be called.
07:56:39 Please speak up or send them email to me, and and and and ask if you and and sort of yeah, I I want to be.
07:56:50 I I want to be really inclusive in this. Anyone who wants to participate in contribute is welcome.
07:56:57 And yeah, I guess i'm marinated in the open source spirit here in Dublin.
07:57:04 But I think it's a it's an it's an excellent spirit.
07:57:09 So that's the my plan to to call for a special meeting, and we can continue to discuss and disseminate this material, and and come come up with sort of recommendations.
07:57:26 So as soon as we come up with a name for this work group, all set up a mailing list, and we can go right.
07:57:36 Maybe we could think about what what do we call it? Do we call it?
07:57:42 Own up trans transforming own up or Well, what what do people think?
07:57:49 Can we Can we conclude on a on the better title than the next 5 years?
07:57:56 So, Magnus, and listen to this I don't think we're really looking at, transforming on app I think we're looking at evolving it to its next stage.
07:58:05 I think is the first 5 years we're about actually building the platform and having a working platform.
07:58:13 This we've we've now done that and when I look at it. and it's now that next step of using it to do useful things, and I don't have to say that it isn't But that But that should really
07:58:26 be the focus. So you know kind of the work that's happening with the sabre group. I think whoever mentioned 5 G. Real and Magnus. I think that was you.
07:58:36 That's a critical thing for this for yeah the orchestration of fiveg is is huge.
07:58:40 These days, but there are other use cases as well. so I I would.
07:58:46 I mean something like the evolution I I don't I kind of transforming an evolution.
07:58:51 Aren't quite right. it's kind of it's really the next phase.
07:58:56 Yeah, you boldly great Yeah, evolution evolving mainstreaming Yeah, that's great chocolate. So I I just you know mainstream work. group. I think is a great name.
07:59:13 For it. Yeah, Go. nap my screen. Yeah, just put on app, add on up to it.
07:59:18 And then I think we should have something meaningful and magnus i'm actually interested in this.
07:59:26 I I hesitate to part I hesitate to raise my hand because i'm kind of overwhelmed at the moment.
07:59:30 But you know, I think that developing the closer ties with the Uranus, c.
07:59:36 And really kind of focusing on on some of the things that are happening in open ran, I think would be very useful. Yeah.
07:59:45 So you can add me to the list and and not judge too badly if I don't contribute much.
07:59:55 Alright, thanks, Amy own app mainstream that's what we wanna go with.
07:59:59 Okay, let's go for that. But I don't think we we it's an internal work of course.
08:00:11 And and then I mean part of this work is also, How do we, when we decide on how to to evolve
08:00:21 How do we tell externally and and I mean you You don't.
08:00:30 You would like to have a positive spin. Because, yeah, we always want.
08:00:34 We always want to be relevant but maybe we we will have to go away from some of the the dearly ambitions, and and we will have to be careful not to sort of get criticized.
08:00:50 For how you're giving up on this and that but This is maybe a second step, .
08:00:56 And I don't think we should ever think of it as we're giving up on something.
08:01:00 I think that it's but I think focusing on those use cases focusing on on really the use case and support abuse cases which we've been doing all along.
08:01:08 But maybe not publicizing it as well as we could have.
08:01:13 That seems to be where where we should think about moving
08:01:27 Okay, anything else on this great discussion. Yeah, really.
08:01:36 Okay, don't. Oh, grab things back then, I have an an an item about what we said before Kenny.
08:01:47 No, not about this. but I got an answer from via great craft.
08:01:52 He said that he didn't know whether whether there was a a a was there.
08:01:59 There was still a ticket on him, and he had close.
08:02:02 He has closed that now. okay.
08:02:08 Yeah. follow up. So with me to our nearly we are there then for the M. 3.
08:02:18 David, though we are still something to do. But but we can check off like we can check Yeah, I I I did. I actually saw a an email just maybe 20 min ago, regarding the os issues remain for m
08:02:36 3, and those those are being yeah, Krishna is is going to take a look at those.
08:02:45 So expect that those will be closed you know probably within the next day or so.
08:02:48 So we're almost there
08:02:57 Okay. Great other data point. that alias has been set up and proven to be working.
08:03:09 It's been tested so that's all done and we can start making progress on on that and then I will set up the groups Io later, because that takes a little bit longer. time to do super committer rights time to
08:03:31 move. Yes.
08:03:39 Yes, so I I don't know if this topic has been discussed on the Monday call.
08:03:45 But I but it is time no, indeed, to activate any supercoometer for the coon release.
08:03:52 What we don't know is who should so that's why we cannot proceed.
08:03:57 I think. Yes, we should do that because we we have not so many people.
08:04:03 We have the the heights, especially on your inside.
08:04:06 Oh, on on the integration side so I believe we should proceed as before, but we don't know who should be promoted.
08:04:19 So I know there is a list of people that we know already.
08:04:22 So the action is more on the community, more than on the Tc.
08:04:27 And do we know exactly who other people? we need this right and and why?
08:04:34 Of course. yeah, Yeah, that makes sense I don't know how this actually works.
08:04:43 I think it's an ldap group might be wrong there.
08:04:49 But I I would assume that we've got the list of contributors who were in the previous go-round available in some way, shape or form.
08:04:59 It's a great group and the list of super super commuters that we've been adding is in the wiki like.
08:05:08 I I don't remember exactly the work the workspace but let me let me find it is you know, our Wiki.
08:05:14 If you search for super commuters, only have Wiki.
08:05:20 Yeah, there's a list but yeah catherine is right there must most of them.
08:05:25 They're all in commiters
08:05:31 So do we need to rebuild the list. there it is.
08:05:38 I was typing it as one word and it's 2
08:05:46 Okay, So starting at Code 3 there we go.
08:05:55 So obviously morgan's no longer in the picture
08:06:09 This is of course not any more, orange but you would bebut still there.
08:06:15 But still there. Yeah.
08:06:22 Okay, So we're just for cleanliness here we're gonna just do that as a strike through
08:06:37 We have just jester You You're probably not the right person to to to be there anymore, giving your job role changes.
08:06:47 I don't know I mean i'm still kind of active in on it.
08:06:54 But yeah, I mean, if if you want to assign bank or Kevin that would be fine for me.
08:07:00 To be quite honest in the past. whenever I get super commuter rights, I rarely get asked to merch any changes.
08:07:08 But okay, and how are you? one? It might be good to have one.
08:07:12 Lf person from each region. Just that's a pepper if yes, in case just a suggestion so that would be so bank you would handle a pack.
08:07:29 We've got matt in Emma and Then kevin You're in South America somewhere.
08:07:35 Aren't you America us Central. Okay, is that Okay with the Tsc.
08:07:52 Hearing nothing I will assume so
08:08:19 He's e west European right gmt kind of
08:08:41 Well, not us Central
08:08:53 Did you have anyone else from integration except Morgan?
08:09:04 Yeah, I mean wukash is of course also
08:09:08 Let's say, working together with me how as we are in the same team.
08:09:16 So
08:09:22 But I don't know who else it at the moment really working on integration.
08:09:26 Bye, cause I think Lf. is more as a backup just in case yeah, that's fine
08:09:37 I'm just my understanding, anyway. Hmm just coloring these for my own benefit here.
08:09:51 We know kind of garage is out of the picture as well.
08:09:58 Didn't see
08:10:04 Been. Yeah, Ben's not on the call
08:10:09 But I assume that that he would remain. What about Eric?
08:10:25 I haven't heard anything that he's still working for the multi cloud away
08:10:36 Think that he's still working
08:10:43 So that ones we believe to be a strike through as well.
08:10:50 Okay, So we have a total of 2 community members and the rest staff.
08:11:01 That doesn't seem like a good ratio to me
08:11:10 Should be the opposite. Yeah, it should be the opposite, for sure.
08:11:19 So maybe we get the details on Monday to suggest 2 should be super committers.
08:11:38 The integration Ptl will recommend super committed candidates success.
08:11:45 So there, you think we'll both meet if it makes it better you will not be able to stay away, Jessica
08:12:02 So yeah, we've got that statement right there which puts us in a of a interesting situation, doesn't it
08:12:16 So I think we made the updates here, and definitely, we bounce this to the Ptl meeting would be my suggestion.
08:12:24 Other thoughts.
08:12:31 Sounds good to me.
08:12:38 Okay, so let me just do that save on this one.
08:12:47 But I need to resize my window, so I can actually see the button.
08:12:51 If you want to play around that table, maybe move the L of people to the bottom of it or something.
08:12:59 Okay, So where were we here?
08:13:06 Get rid of that and Link recently viewed super committers.
08:13:12 There we go!
08:13:54 Okay, I made a lot of updates and it's gonna hit update here and then go back into edit mode
08:14:09 Okay, Okay. So then, getting down to Budget, I had this action item for
08:14:17 The as your spend and let me just drag that in here.
08:14:23 So here's what we're tracking this year in red
08:14:29 You can see last year was quite erratic we were issued at 1 point a credit of just about $2,000.
08:14:38 I don't know why but that's what's reflected there.
08:14:42 But was quite erratic last year before kind of leveling out
08:14:47 We are running kind of below slightly below that trend line by about 7%.
08:14:58 I'm sorry that 7% that I just mentioned is across all pass through hosting costs.
08:15:06 That own app is utilizing across the board.
08:15:10 Not just azure but you can see that we're trending a little bit below that
08:15:21 So
08:15:29 That's what we had last year
08:15:45 And for this year. Where did the spreadsheet go i've lost the spreadsheet
08:16:03 Catherine, had you started anything in that regarded?
08:16:08 If I just like No, I I think. Can you hear me?
08:16:14 Okay, sorry. So I think. But first of all, I want to be sure that people are pretty comfortable.
08:16:22 I think we should keep what we had from last year. The only open point was really ready related.
08:16:31 What do we do with azure? Because we have been invested in the unh?
08:16:35 We might need students Asia during the transition period so That's why we're suggesting we might keep as it is.
08:16:45 I i'm not sure we still need to see more than what we are.
08:16:48 But again, I I want to get feedback from people who are really using it, which is mostly the integration team and the Ptl
08:17:03 For. For the rest, I think we should keep the same that what we get this year, except if people wants to invest also in Montice right?
08:17:11 Because I think this year we are doing 2 monies but even that I'm not sure paper was investing in Montes.
08:17:17 So i'm just cautious to us to watch and we we don't use so next time we might not have anything right.
08:17:25 So. Yeah. So the I I I think in the in in the concept context of infrastructure.
08:17:37 I I don't see this as a projected 20% growth for this year.
08:17:44 So. yes, if if the people agree right, because I would say flat, at least so give us starting to do a transition and to lose anything any.
08:18:04 If in 6 months there is some needs there is always a possibility to to talk back to the do the governance board.
08:18:13 But I it's always better to everything in mine at the beginning of the budget, of course, but I would say, stay flat.
08:18:21 Does anybody any opinion cause maybe my my view is narrowed I I I don't know
08:18:33 Okay, hearing nothing. I I would think that that it support would also be flat.
08:18:42 We got had Matt Atkins on boarded, which covered this.
08:18:47 So I would think that that would also be flat. Any disagreement with that
08:18:58 Any book. Please, team, if you are not in our alignment, feel free to step up right now because we are defining the 2022.
08:19:06 I want to be sure that everybody on this call at least feel comfortable with the decision that we are making
08:19:19 Okay, recognition awards. the same we've got that and as we, you know, have started moving to the badging which seems to be
08:19:39 Folks seem to be liking that a lot. So, looking on that mentorship.
08:19:48 This is I I got a little bit more information.
08:19:52 They do this in 3 sessions a year. and give me 1 s, and I will have that information for you
08:20:10 Pull it up because we discussed it. Andty Staff meeting
08:20:22 The.
08:20:36 Where is the 3 sessions a year? One is the spring session, which is March first through May.
08:20:48 30 First, the summer session, which is June first through August 30 first, and then fall Session, which we just missed, which is September first through November thirtieth, so we aren't limited just to
08:21:01 the summer, and I know that that during during doing it during the summer can be a bit difficult for
08:21:11 So our community members who come from geographies where they're extended holidays.
08:21:18 So, knowing that there are 3 sessions, I think that we can probably take better advantage of that than we have been.
08:21:27 I think, in this last go round for summer we had 2 if i'm recalling correctly so we might be able to take more advantage of that
08:21:54 Okay, so I will just mark that as flat as well. Yep. Yep.
08:21:57 Yes, in the last one as well. we we still need to raise, except if a community wants to support board of release management function, I I would say, flat as well at the minimum.
08:22:18 Okay. So so, so, looking at things across across the board, we are going into 2,023.
08:22:27 We are the same. we're basically flat across all of these all these domains.
08:22:40 Right.
08:22:41 Okay, hearing nothing. I gotta mark that. Then, as a greed flap as 2021 does, Everybody is okay with that.
08:22:53 Any comments feedback at this stage
08:23:04 I'll get up
08:23:15 The elections then moving on nominations are open through the 20.
08:23:22 First, please respond to this email. If you are interested I will drop that into the chat window
08:23:35 We have a few folks that have express their candidacy thus far.
08:23:41 And I would encourage others. and remember, you do not need to come from a platinum member of Lfn.
08:23:54 You do not need to come from a gold member of Lfn.
08:23:56 You do not need to come from a silver member of Lfn.
08:23:59 You do not even need to be a member of Lfn.
08:24:03 If you are qualified to run for one of these positions.
08:24:09 Based upon your conference to the community You're qualified the link to that is in the is in the email there.
08:24:24 That I provided and I am doing some direct outreach to companies that I know have members that are qualified to to run 40 position.
08:24:45 So. I am doing some direct outreach on that one.
08:24:50 Any questions. I am not recruiting individuals this so to to be clear, right?
08:24:58 I'm not recruiting individuals I am just letting companies know that. hey?
08:25:02 Here are the folks from your from your company who are qualified.
08:25:10 Okay, Jakarta awards right before the meeting.
08:25:17 I sent out a vote to the Tsc. for one, but other than that we had other than the citizenship awards.
08:25:31 We pretty much had single nominees in each category.
08:25:37 So the top achievement award for Jakarta goes to Steven Gooch
08:25:43 From one river who is done a lot of work for us.
08:25:48 In the background. So congratulations, Stephen.
08:25:52 Citizenship. We had Fiatra, Serba and Andreas, who were nominated there.
08:25:59 That is the vote out to the Tsc. that I put right before the meeting, so that one is undisciplined.
08:26:06 Yet. for S. Threep. S. 3 P. improvements the cps.
08:26:15 Project. got that for own app demo there's an O ran smo package demo that was a Marshall, Sebastian, and Christoff.
08:26:30 So congratulations there. for automation and testing coverage.
08:26:40 It goes to twon and the members of the cps team twine.
08:26:45 If you're on the call i'll ask you for a list of folks.
08:26:50 I don't see him on, the call so I will reach out any. Can he just hold on because on that one. we also need. We have also another set of people, as you know, as you know, this is defined.
08:27:06 Differently. so he's not the complete list that you have Normally we are based on the that's right, Catherine. My apologies I know that no issue does not mean we we might not recognize one I just want to be sure
08:27:23 that this item is not the complete list at this stage.
08:27:29 And what Catherine is alluding to is that
08:27:35 The information actually is, is gone out and analyzed.
08:27:43 A great deal of of manual work is involved in this particular one.
08:27:48 And my apologies for forgetting that I got ahead of myself.
08:27:50 Just running through the list here as i'm looking at it so thank you, Catherine, for checking me on that one.
08:27:58 So there is likely to be more information forthcoming on that one.
08:28:06 But for metrics to find awards. This is the automatically given to the top.
08:28:11 3 contributors of merged code as measured between M.
08:28:17 One and sign off dates and that goes to liam.
08:28:21 Dan and William. So congratulations folks, and we have a few a few more things to be forthcoming.
08:28:29 But that's where we are on the awards at this time
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