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Byung-Woo Jun: Alfandra or Kenny join us today.

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Andreas Geissler: Seems they have forgotten us. Forgot those.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Hope not. Hope not.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Maybe send the email.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I sent the E-mail, Sandra and Kenny about their meeting, so hope they can pick up and join hopefully.

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Byung-Woo Jun: I'm not sure I can't claim host. Let me try.

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Toine Siebelink: So if you. This meeting is using the new system, isn't it? I don't think you need a claim host. I think anybody can.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, okay, let me

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Byung-Woo Jun: let me. Then I try to share screen. Yeah, okay, right? Right? Until one day come.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So

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Byung-Woo Jun: thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Can you see my screen?

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Toine Siebelink: Yeah, they can.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, until Sandra Kenny. Come, miss, start here.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So this is agenda, and we have some release status, since David Mcbride is not here. So I copy this his previous re release. Status Wiki pages. I started working in progress. But you know, you can get idea

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then pt update, we have pt update from Oem team, and to one he hosted a Ptr. Meeting this week.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then, as a subcommittee, update

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Byung-Woo Jun: Akam and Zennie and Donwan, they propose the new the intent driven networking proposed for

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Byung-Woo Jun: new tally.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Then either update to one he has a problem with the Zoom login

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Byung-Woo Jun: issues for changing the meeting schedule and etc.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then Mike Mori sent email to Tsc previously, and Sdc. Is looking for Sdc. Self nomination.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So since dawn you have to leave soon, so I'm going to give you the your topic first. But on a zoom login before we going to release that one.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Could you explain what your problem?

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Toine Siebelink: So I actually just just had to disconnect that for a minute. But I just got back at the end of that. Yes, thanks for that. To be on

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Toine Siebelink: my problem is So up till a couple of months ago I well up to before Christmas I was able to use lastpass to log into zoom for the own up 0 4. And those those other meetings I only used to own up for logon

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Toine Siebelink: for my own meeting for cps. although it was always bit tricky. Last Pass did work for me. And then basically log into zoom. You can do things like schedule. Your meeting, cancel it. You can look at reports who attended it, and and you can start meeting, and then when you start meeting automatically, the host. So that's the way I used to start my meetings.

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Toine Siebelink: S, now, as we discussed last week I understand, last pass has been abandoned, and I actually uninstalled that for my own system now as well, and Kelly sent a mail before Christmas, saying that he

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Toine Siebelink: He canceled some of the owner. I've I've got the numbers. There was something like 14 different accounts, and I think he brought it back to 50604 is is one that was remaining, and in the mail he mentioned the password.

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Toine Siebelink: I have tried logging in with that password, but that didn't work

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Toine Siebelink:  Now, the last time I hosted actually the last 2 times I hosted a meeting. I was able to just start a meeting. It was in the calendar link and then claim the host using the PIN code that's in the same meal that that works.

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Toine Siebelink: But that doesn't give me access to the Zoom account itself, so I can't do things like canceling the meeting, rescheduling it, or look at attendance reports, and those are kind of the things we do, the odd time or need to do the odd time.

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Toine Siebelink: So at the moment, I because, yeah, last pass was very, very clever. Actually it. It even hit the password. You couldn't see yourself. And then the account. Now I think the call was visible, but I lost the account. So you log into zoom.

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Toine Siebelink: It asks you for an email address and a password. And now I don't even know the email address anymore to for on of 0 4 or any of those other zoom accounts to log in. So I'm not sure if anybody is using that at all. Is anybody using zoom log on to to to look at the meeting start meetings that way. Also, everybody is using the claim claim host method now.

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Toine Siebelink: But anyway, yeah, that's that's the problem. Last week we asked this as well, I think some that was here last week, and she said she would follow it up. But I haven't heard anything since

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Byung-Woo Jun: anyone knows this how to handle to, you know to what someone looking for.

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Andreas Geissler: Unfortunately, no, because I'm also using just flaming it

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Andreas Geissler: with the PIN, but not not really logging into but I had. I remember that I had also these these last pass once, but they, as my got a new laptop, and my last pass was, let's say, deleted.

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Andreas Geissler: I'd

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Toine Siebelink: don't have that, but maybe I will check that again. Yeah, no, Andreas, I think the last pass has been abandoned last. Had the old passwords, anyway. So those wouldn't work anymore. There's no point in trying to use last last week that we we're not supposed to use last anymore. They wouldn't work anyway.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. So Duan, is it possible for you to send the email to Kenny and Sandra and CC me don't want. And then so power, too.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. So then I'll give you this task to you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: then hopefully, they can response back to you for this. Okay, okay, and I'll follow up to okay with your CC, me, that email.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Thank you. Thank you. I don't. The fancy work we did, zoom. And I can just use it. So okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Michael. If your issue is quick rest finish it before moving to other Michael

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Byung-Woo Jun: Michael, I cannot hear you, Michael Morris.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, yeah. So I put some looking for SP. Tsf nomination. You send the email to Tsc, but no response. So anything to say here or

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Michael Morris: no, just like, guess basically what I said. An email there, I I'm stepping down as Ptl. Now. I've looked see if there's anyone else in the existing Ptl. Team wants to take over, and there isn't any candidates there, so it looks like Sc. Will have no Ptl. Going forward unless somebody else from somewhere else in the one of community wants to.

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Michael Morris: once they're taken on board.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay? So I hope that there's some candid nomination. team. So otherwise let us know. And then I'm not sure how Ts can help you

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Byung-Woo Jun: in here. But anyway, thank you for your service for pto. Thank you very much.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay. And I'll if you have the Tse a member, if you have any. Suggestion, and anybody who can do this. Sdc Pto. And please do so. Otherwise Sdc will be

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headless project again. And then, if you don't maintain you would be.

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Byung-Woo Jun: you will become unmaintained projects. So that's not a good thing. So since as this is important, you know, project. So okay, so

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay. And then, we're gonna go to

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Byung-Woo Jun: any other questions so far here, then, I'm gonna move to

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Byung-Woo Jun: previous status.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: So the David the Mcbride used to handle this project status to Montreal, since he's not here temporarily, I,

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Byung-Woo Jun: you know, copy the

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Byung-Woo Jun: the initial, the release from Montreal, and I create the 3 subsections, the Wikipedia pages.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So anyway, this is a template. So I put key update. I empty the older key update. And then Pto, I just put the

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Byung-Woo Jun: price order for Ptr to add a key update and benefit for new daily release, and also milestone status. I need to Update Sanjira the link. So you will be hooking to New Delhi

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then documentation.

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Byung-Woo Jun: for now the just just modify a little bit. But I'm gonna look at Folder.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and I don't know, Thomas, we can have here, but anyway, so I copied it, and then I put some additional information on some changes. For example. I think the

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Byung-Woo Jun: Pcie. No Pto, and also Dmap. And I have to ask Piakra. I think that he's he stepped down, too. I think so. I'm gonna in that case no Pto

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Byung-Woo Jun: since Muncho. and then

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Byung-Woo Jun: the Msb. Is unmaintained. Project no, Pta. I think the

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Byung-Woo Jun: we decide to retire. Msp. And then also the Stc. I put I put up with Mike Motor's name, but he's stepping down

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Byung-Woo Jun: as Pto of the munshi. So in new dairy and no Pto.

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Byung-Woo Jun: okay, so I update these pages for now. So you can feel free to change and put your input.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, so I just creating 2, 3 new Wiki pages copying the

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Byung-Woo Jun: and David style. But anyway, we're gonna modify. So one of them is, for example, who was that? Not this? Okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: these pages. Okay. I change a little bit, and I'm still working in progress. And

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Byung-Woo Jun: this is the Montreal Lumchad version. And for this older project and the new dairy I copy as is. But, Pto, you can feel free to changes. I think the one of the report from Oem team today, Andreas, he will explain the what our discussion in Ktf.

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Byung-Woo Jun: so you can. No, you can address about the strategy for how to handle helm chat version, for now I put the pages, and then after Andres he described what we our discussion and decision. Then Pto feel free to change to this Helen chat, and then communicate to

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Byung-Woo Jun: the oem team. Then you can, you know. Change it, you know. I think they can use this pages for changing or still talking to the android on. So this is kind of a release status. For now until we find some other volunteer handling and release manager. But temporary. I'm handling this. Okay? So, okay, any questions here.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: And the Pt, update. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: do I host you the Pta meeting this week. Thank you. It was great. It was very good technical discussion by Andrews and other Pto teams, I think, was very good. And then so that's why we have a separate Pta meeting for now shrunk to a 30 min. But we're gonna focus on technical discussion.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then we summarize and report to Tse. That's you know, current structure. So anyway, so and for next week we're looking for

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Byung-Woo Jun: host for this meeting and for any Ptl. Wants to host the next Monday meeting. Please, send us email

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Byung-Woo Jun: and your intention for next week. And before Monday. Okay, so that one and then, now I'm gonna delete the keep. The Andrea's the you know the talking about oem chat version, Andreas, do you need to the share this?

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Andreas Geissler: No, I don't need to share actually. So I think you can also go back to the project status page. So

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Andreas Geissler: what you had. I think you have an open dialing left. Yeah? So basically, yeah, what we agreed on Monday was

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Andreas Geissler:  since, or for new Delhi daily. And the future releases basically, the components would be free to choose their

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Andreas Geissler: release version. We will start all with the 13 dot whatever we had.

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Andreas Geissler: But of course it makes sense for any change coming to

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Andreas Geissler: new daily, which is not, let's say, which is different from, or successor for Montreal child versions should update

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Andreas Geissler: their your your release versions in the helm charts so, and as long as you are using

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Andreas Geissler:  the 13 dot 0. So the major 13 version there is no other thing to be changed. If you are updating also the major version. So from to 14, or whatever version you would like

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Andreas Geissler: there has to be a change done in the umbrella ownup chart, basically, which is.

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Andreas Geissler: which is containing a chart yaml file, which has dependencies to the different sub charts, basically the component charts. And the at the moment we are using wildcard with 13 dot x, so anything which is, has the major version, 13 would be included. So whenever a component would decide to change it, to change the version, for example, to 14 or something. The this

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Andreas Geissler: additional file needs to be changed, so that in the daily

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Andreas Geissler: and the gating runs, then this new major version is used for the component. But that's then the exception for the case. If, whenever you would like to change only the second number or the third number. So having new features or bug fixes

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Andreas Geissler: feel free to do that, this would be automatically included in the new daily. Let's say in the in the in the daily runs and in the integration. Yeah.

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Andreas Geissler: what we had discussed on Monday.

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Byung-Woo Jun: That's great. This is the improvement. Thank you Andreas? So last time when we started on app streamlining, so we had a short term the you know the short term and long term the goal, the short term for Montreal everyone jumping into 13, starting the 13 or off.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then Andrea is providing the nice system and the umbrella system, and then we decide the Ptr. The Ptm. As Andrea said, has, you know, flexibility. So Pto

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Byung-Woo Jun: have did some flexibility. They can choose. So anyway. Thank you so much, I think, though from New Delhi

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Byung-Woo Jun: own app has a more flexible. So the you know way of the handling of the helm chart and following their own app streaming. That's great. Thank you. Thank you. Andres.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Any question here. Any?

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think this is a very good thing.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, thank you very much. Andrews.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, so otherwise common. Yeah, yeah.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: So I just wanted to. You're familiar with this, this whole topic of the student, Louis from China working with our own helm charts

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: for, but he is focused on the SMO.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Right about the outgo. CD installation right of

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: right? No, it's so easily. Yeah.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: yeah, I'm I'm just giving an update. It's very timely because he in in Oscar gave a detailed presentation.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And I'll I'll find that and forward it, and I'll encourage him to to also be in touch with you.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: But he's putting a lot of effort. and

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: I don't know anyone else outside. So who who came in

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: after all this work was done and went in detail with all the helm charts, and he's looking on the Osi side and the own app side.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, and asking this dependency, that dependency, this doesn't work that doesn't work. And he's asking, you know, really important and detailed questions about

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: the map message. Router seems to be duplicated and slimsy. Kafka is being used. And why is this in this helm chart? And so I think we should

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: pay attention to the fact that someone is really using and trying to make everything work. And and he's been sending email. And and I'm just reporting that

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: he's not lost interest. He's continuing his work. And he's actually making more progress.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: Yeah, pointing out

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: things that

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: that he's he is asking for guidance also as to what to drop, what to keep.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so that you have a working system. And so he doesn't know, for example, of that.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: the fact that all the modules are more autonomous. Now, he's just going based on what's available in the documentation.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And yep.

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Andreas Geissler: I was. I was not, let's say, following this too closely. So II wanted I think we will. I will have to get in touch with him more deeply, and and to discuss with him, make some things more clear. But in mind. But

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so he's bringing this discussion to oversee, because he's trying to use also the way, non real-time. Rick and John Kinney is there, and we are.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: People are engaging with them.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: But we'll also. That's why I'm telling you this this like an update. Yeah.

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Byung-Woo Jun: good good shank. Actually, the funny thing is at the Oem meeting this week and Andreas and discussed about the

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Byung-Woo Jun: there was teams of, you know, presentations because we they supposed to come back to us

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Byung-Woo Jun: oem team, and they give us more detail. But I think that good. So maybe we can. You know, Andrews? Maybe you can contact them and then give share the their, you know work and what just Sunshanka provided. So we can have some arrangements. So that's good thing. They are still continue to work on the at the Oc. So then we just need to sync up the cell.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: And we actually, you know, Angus actually talk about that yesterday? Yeah, yeah, so yeah.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: it is really not common that we find someone so motivated and actually cleaning things up by saying, You know, this works. This doesn't work. This is this is the way to move forward, and

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: so I'll ask his latest presentation yesterday. I don't. I couldn't find it. I'll ask him okay to to make sure, he sends it to us, yeah, that's good information. By the way, Ashanka. Do they use a London version or Montfield?

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: He was actually no sorry London, and he was asking questions like, Is Montreal release available? Is it signed off. And so we said, You know it's the release is not the same as what it was before.

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N.K. Shankaranarayanan: you know. He signed up. He's signed up.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and the reason I ask him was thi before they use the the older than London. So they don't have, you know, they using stay using, you know, A and I. So we had some certificates at issue

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Byung-Woo Jun: a aab. So yeah. But if they use it beyond that, he's not using af he knows that's good. Then, Andreas, he he presented to us team about how to gonna use August city, and then how you know, O owner, improve. So I think the it will be good, Andreas, you have anything to say.

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Andreas Geissler: II will have to check, so that either louis will might join our our own meeting, or we would need to arrange some, maybe separate meeting for discussing. So our our findings and defi his findings.

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Andreas Geissler: And yeah, definitely would look more into more detail if I when I have time. So maybe I could check in the next week, so we can have have a joint meeting together and present what we have done.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Good chunk. This isn't a good synergy, because they are looking for new way, and then Andrea's and oem team. They already provide new way and how they change it. And I think if we we sync up they will be good learning posts.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, so any I gave you this task. Andrews. Okay, so.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Pto under, as I mentioned the main discussion about the Oem helm charts. Okay, let me try to open. Okay?

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Byung-Woo Jun: So pity you. So basically, the Monday we discuss about the Lfid support, I'm not sure. Is there any Lfid team here

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Byung-Woo Jun: and dashboard? And Jessica, you are familiar with this?

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Byung-Woo Jun: dashboard? The It 0 issue review some job. Okay, okay, if you're not, Matt, Matt is working. Okay. So anyway, okay, so we ask Matt, so 44. So then you you talk about the robot. You know, frame of 7 has some issues and also mainly discuss about the what andress we just mentioned.

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Byung-Woo Jun: And then, okay, so that's the one okay.

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Byung-Woo Jun: already already to talk about this. I'm not gonna repeat. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: so the stop committee update So at the outcome. somebody's questions.

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Byung-Woo Jun: we can hear you.

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Keguang He: Okay. Yes, yes. I received an email that maybe we have a new Ptr for Portal and G projector.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Oh.

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Byung-Woo Jun: could you? Yeah, some 30.

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Keguang He: for the portal and G project. That's right. You can choose information from the head box.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, I'll change the update. The for Portal engine. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, great!

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Byung-Woo Jun: plus this third Tuesday, and it's outcome. There is some presentation from China telecom. They propose to data service enhancement we intend driven network for New Delhi.

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Byung-Woo Jun: one of the the important enhancement to New daily about the AI based the intent driven networking one from China telecom, one from China mobile Kegon already, you know, to mention about it.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So this one Zen, or don't can you provide some more detail about this if you can

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Byung-Woo Jun: just just summarize it.

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Dong Wang: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I think we are continuing our research and development with all that most of force on the autonomous networks, including the intended services so I think that in 3 release we will continue our research focus on

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Dong Wang: the service with Onac. Actually, our team currently focused on the research of Sikkimobi networks

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Dong Wang: and the way in last year in recent time. Way, build lightweight platform. Based on all that architecture. And I think, maybe 2 weeks later, we can deal

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Dong Wang: demo in meeting to show our new platform architecture and show some further roadmap and plan, or our research and development with on app

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Dong Wang: so that works. And I think that maybe 2 weeks later, we we can provide more information about our research. With all that.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, sounds good whenever you have something for us. And you can schedule a meeting. And we can participate. Okay? Great, that's great. There's yeah. Basically, this is an intent-driven network. And then I think the general purpose on the Raj data model Raj language model.

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Byung-Woo Jun: But by adding the Domain specific data service, and they can combine it that they can provide more accurate the the, you know the calculation. You know more based on AI, that's my understanding. Is that right? Glen? Then don't want.

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Byung-Woo Jun: Okay, okay, on. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you can. Yeah. So you can see the the own app. 801. And then also their requirement, 1589, for more detail, they uploaded their presentation slide deck. You can see more detail from there. Thank you very much, Zen, and the one, and then thank you very much.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and also for information.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and another side, as I mentioned, this is one on the track the China telecom provider, you know, AI based intent-driven networking.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and then also China Mobile. They have a generative AI which Kagan he presented, I think, shared information with us last time. So this is a 2 major track. You know, on the intent driven networking based on AI and MF. And then the Lm.

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Byung-Woo Jun: so you will be really good enhancement to new daily, you know, from my side, for we really interesting the their outcome during the new daily. And then I'm very excited about this. Okay, thank you. Both the companies. Thank you.

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Byung-Woo Jun: probably Team only deleted the archived and requirements subcommittee wiki pages. And I change the outcome description. And I'm gonna add more detail about the what outcome they're gonna hand. How outcome going to handle the requirement?

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Byung-Woo Jun: The in our review. And we already did 2 decline review from China, Mobile and China telecom China telecom China mobile. And we did. And then, so anybody wants to have requirement and architecture on review and please contact us outcome. So we're gonna handle that. So

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Byung-Woo Jun: I think that's all I put here and any other. The discussion are one thing. one, some question about the unip spum, Jessica and team. They provide the good spam generation

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Byung-Woo Jun: depths the the Sba level of the supporting. So currently it is using default. So if any request and I'm going to discuss at the second.

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Byung-Woo Jun: and what only are going to provide whichever owner going to provide. Okay. So you know, never top level, and 1, 2, 3 or all. So it depends. But we are just providing reference implementation. So maybe default is fine but I'll discuss with the second next Tuesday, and then that Jessica and team knows about that. Okay, Jessica, is that okay with you?

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Byung-Woo Jun: Yeah, that's a good way to thank you so much. Thank you very much for generation. Really? Good. So okay, that's so, I have any other information you want to discuss today.

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Byung-Woo Jun: then, I'm going to. Probably this is the we can. You know, we can stop here.

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Byung-Woo Jun: So okay, thank you very much. Okay. So I just, you know, have. By the way, I'll see. Okay, she's I was sick. That's why just Kenny just sent email. She sticks. So anyway. So next week she will return. So anyway. So okay, for now I just temporarily handle this. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Dong Wang: Thank you.