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07:08:53 On today's docket
07:08:59 want to talk about
07:09:03 what we want to list is the highlights for the Istanbul release.
07:09:19 If
07:09:19 that oh yeah many workgroup was discussed at the PTO meeting in terms of how do we do, agility and in Jakarta. I think it came up last week at the TLC Yeah Kenny.
07:09:36 What I was saying here is just an announcement that I've put a, a request to the PDL meeting to discuss that there, so the workshop that we talked about, hopefully will take place there.
07:09:51 Okay.
07:09:53 Excellent, thank you so much.
07:09:57 In terms of infrastructure, we're going to get the readout on as your utilization,
07:10:07 or om we'd like to hear a little bit about what's going on with the, with the
07:10:15 get lab migration but probably not for this meeting, maybe put that out a couple weeks from now,
07:10:26 looking for update on some of the subcommittee activities.
07:10:32 Don't know that we'll have time for that today. Perhaps if we do we can tack that on the end.
07:10:39 Regarding the TM forum IPR representation. This is something that came up.
07:10:47 About a month ago, in terms of the TM forum is asking for legal representation from the own app community regarding some IPR on some joint.
07:11:06 joint publications that are being worked on. The. There was a delay in doing that, that delay was my fault.
07:11:13 We got moving forward on that. And it seems to be a bit stuck on our side I'm trying to get unstuck. So, that is the update there.
07:11:30 Want to cover what's going to be discussed. Next week, related to the work that the CF Task Force has been doing. I'm going to cover the elections, which just concluded this morning, or well at noon UTC today.
07:11:51 I think that's it so
07:11:55 I guess at this point. Catherine, I will turn it over to you. Do you want me to just share or do you want to share know if you can do it. That will be great she just click so as you know as part of the next milestone, we will be requesting the project
07:12:14 team, and you can click on the link on top of the page.
07:12:18 We will be requesting to the project to the subcommittee's to the use case owner to document their heads key accomplishment.
07:12:30 With a TLC. We have also tried to
07:12:35 consolidate the vision, considering what was a path of the Istanbul of equivalent, which is tied by David, and also based on on on on some development that you are doing.
07:12:50 We are not promoting any Bussi, which has been, it's always been the statement. We only promote the content of the release because that's what we start defining that's what we deliver.
07:13:05 And that's the latest version and I just want to take the opportunity to say thank you again to honey, with our marketing representative, but who did also a great job to translate what you have all accomplish into something that people who are not part
07:13:25 of your community can also understand. So that's the current version that we, we, we are promoting.
07:13:36 I speak my use it as part of some key notes last week so that was the original ask.
07:13:43 And we just wanted to share here to the audience.
07:13:54 The latest version, which is currently available, but Comments, feedback. You're all welcome.
07:14:07 So that will be also used for the marketing of the release. If you have additional so later.
07:14:16 You know where to find the deck.
07:14:18 We had the vision five.
07:14:21 And we also welcome details coming from the project so if you close the presentation now, Kenny, it's still important that you highlight what your projects have been accomplished.
07:14:36 So you have the list of all the projects some team members have already started to document it's, don't forget it's part of your FC milestone. We also wanted to use case owner to tell us a little bit about what they have been doing here.
07:14:52 And if they don't have colonized their use case they can add a line. This matter is not frozen formats, as creepy. That's really chin drench because I'm sure that I was adding what Amy set.
07:15:09 So, suppose that we have last year ago it I put it under security. Yes, not on this is creepy. So, again, it's very important that you you document because it's helped a lot to come on DVDs.
07:15:26 So please start to consider that, because it should be part of the milestone that we will leave you next week altogether.
07:15:38 Any question, or comments before we move to the next topic.
07:15:43 I just have to say that on the elimination of 600.
07:15:50 Plus, TV ease.
07:15:52 I wasn't aware of that number.
07:15:56 And to see such outstanding work in terms of
07:16:03 getting CV is closed out.
07:16:06 I think that's great so when I
07:16:10 saw that number come up I was
07:16:14 very pleasantly surprised. So, Thank you community.
07:16:21 Indeed.
07:16:23 Indeed, that's helped us to to maintain the quality of the code and to have a secure platform and components. So thank you to I like that. Katie.
07:16:37 And thank you for me to share the accomplishment as well.
07:16:41 This is this is really good.
07:16:49 Okay, I'm moving on.
07:16:53 We've got
07:16:57 the standard anything ticket related we need to discuss.
07:17:08 Not really, but we're still working with the docs team about the ticket they created from them on accessible links that sometimes they are reported on accessible by by things and sometimes they are so we're still looking into that.
07:17:47 Typing typing.
07:17:53 Okay, um, I will stop sharing them and Eric, turn it over to you.
07:18:04 Yes. Can you saw, I asked her to sit down to Chrome because he has a bit of a vision, than me because he's the one who was using Microsoft as your father getting.
07:18:21 So it's true that we, we are spending quite a lot of money on getting.
07:18:27 just to recap that we left it people have access to, to the, to the environment provided by by universities or you can also have a view on our global consumption, on, on the as you said.
07:18:50 So it's, it's not only us who can have access to this information, so you can look at that on to be honest it's true that we, we don't really talk was D or this consumption because we don't receive the goods.
07:19:08 So it's why sometimes we we get so we we don't shake you know, on a regular basis. This is a robot perception of.
07:19:25 As you know,
07:19:25 join so I've given us the one you've got co host.
07:19:29 Yeah.
07:19:36 Hello everybody.
07:19:36 So I'm sorry I couldn't be there before. So, what exactly do you want me to discuss and share I can share, every single one but I can share
07:19:50 bottom, I can share that.
07:19:53 So what would be good and so it's good to see the consumption, but but I believe, as part of a request that we put in a financial request this year, and also something that I'm going to bring to the board, in one week or two.
07:20:13 What we really need to understand then, and that's the way I need to sell it, it's what what are we really doing with a Europe isn't just a gating.
07:20:25 I'm just concerned that the world will also challenge that the build is not consistent, month after month, and personally I don't have a lot of data points to explain the reason.
07:20:40 So I was hoping and maybe I didn't set the expectation correctly so my apologize for that. I was expecting that.
07:20:48 We have so much to explain, look what we do with Asia, it's similar to the daily getting a weekly gating, I don't know what.
07:20:59 And yes, it has increased from January to September, because of x y z.
07:21:07 And what we intend to do. It's ABC, and that's why we need more. But first of all we need to understand. Similar need to what Morgan was doing is a window of lap, our older resource allocated for good reason.
07:21:25 Or, every subscription that we need to stop and clean up asking the team so that's the overall big question mark that we will need to answer payoff.
07:21:42 Honestly the CO October of 20.
07:21:42 So, let me explain what we are doing an issue.
07:21:46 So I hope that you are seeing my, you're doing your math almost exactly the right one. Sorry.
07:21:58 Let me share the right, folks.
07:22:03 Because.
07:22:04 Yeah, this one should be better.
07:22:08 Sorry. So, yeah. So what I'm showing here the invoices are available for everybody that have access to insurance.
07:22:20 So that means
07:22:23 era and wrote a segment that yes.
07:22:29 lf a nice set of NFP Dang, and Neptune region.
07:22:35 So if we are not sure if I can show you are the three people, three people but
07:22:43 it's not so, so, so I'm just going to interrupt here for a moment.
07:22:49 The
07:22:52 issue.
07:22:55 First of all, what needs to be understand this is a 100% community managed resource. So although we have access to it.
07:23:06 This is something that that that that we take any responsibility for other than making sure the bills paid, that's the extent of it.
07:23:15 Okay, and in the situation that we're in, is, is that there are no controls in place
07:23:31 to ensure that we are not going over the budget we've been allocated.
07:23:40 And I think of it in, in the context of.
07:23:47 You've been given a credit card that credit card has a credit limit.
07:23:53 But you can go beyond that, but you have to pay a penalty.
07:23:59 Okay.
07:23:59 Okay, so we're, we're about 100.
07:24:04 s.
07:24:06 We're about $100,000 over that credit limit.
07:24:10 So, what. So let me explain. Oh it's yours done so we are using it for.
07:24:18 As you can see, as for community services that are used underneath for an app, of course, and it does. I don't I'm not sure we can. I hope we can see everything but that.
07:24:36 I'm not sure how to show it but that's the. So, to for the gauging of om beetle fest Su and very small part of Rishi and Noah Baptist integration staging one which is the one that has been deployed in order to add integration, use case for.
07:25:00 In order to deploy to have a nap. When we leave here with Kenya and gating which is a very small
07:25:10 community service we are many we have micro services that are managing the scheduling of the gates, and also an excuse me of an app, because at some point of times we had issues with bandwidth between a nap and is Europe and Asia, and also, as you may
07:25:37 know, we had to look your limitations. So that's why we have added.
07:25:44 We have added this.
07:25:47 This next future, that allows to have a 12 image year and we, we can use them so it's a book your account from Linux Foundation. As soon as that means that it allows us to have unlimited resources on under PR for or gating system, choose for the gating
07:26:09 systemic.
07:26:11 Okay, so this is, this is what is used the answer is nothing more nothing less.
07:26:19 We are not creating new stuff.
07:26:23 Every day is a unneeded change that can be done so that is that we have increased the size of the disk, on, on the gate as a next year so it was a joy.
07:26:38 But that's, that's the only change that we are we are under.
07:26:49 And if we can look at the question that exists. I think that's where we will see that most of the
07:26:58 spending isn't judgment machines.
07:27:04 go there.
07:27:06 As you can see, this is a speaker mentor.
07:27:09 Most of the spending isn't yet your mission so if you seem that we are spending too much on collectively simple to to cut costs, so we can stop all the gating system we can step staging, we can stop everything.
07:27:26 And then of course we will be divided by.
07:27:33 123, or even be good to zero up to the end of the year.
07:27:42 That's all we can do that.
07:27:47 That's roughly what I yeah I don't think we ever. I honestly, I think there have been some changes and pricing it under Asia aside because we shouldn't be a lot higher than what we are today, a lot more.
07:28:06 So, so big debt was designed for two gating system so having one more deployment,
07:28:17 adding one more deployment on with staging which is the same size should make us spending, roughly one that five times that what what was expected that something that was accepted I guess by Jesse when just agreed to have a staging one in Asia.
07:28:41 But I agree with you i don't know why we are that fast.
07:28:45 So, if you, if
07:28:50 Jesse and F and I didn't know who we can stop everything and clear racing amnesia.
07:28:59 When you want, super super.
07:29:06 So I think the request is not to stop whatever I, I just want to challenge and understand who is analyzes the history of the gating.
07:29:21 I understand that we were building a backups and now you will because with the wind. Wind River, stability, and it was a uterus, can we compensate of on Asia.
07:29:33 So I think that's the fundamental.
07:29:35 But you, you were just explaining to us there are two other gating.
07:29:42 So, which is probably see me now of course that we are we are ingesting with your lunch lab which is Dutch lab with the election law overlap.
07:30:08 tickets that the team need to check. I personally I need more insight to defend the case.
07:30:17 So if you want to understand the gating system.
07:30:21 That's what we are using an OEM to verify that every new match request on Obama.
07:30:29 So let's take this one for example, as, as an output. Of course, I'm not hang on one fail.
07:30:42 So I'm trying to find this one should have work but it's better results. So, you see here, for example, all this is done in Asia.
07:30:55 So, I'll do attempt and deployment, on, on any match request that that is done on om is testing through these two gates. A gauging three and engaging for, which are big names, because we used to other getting one and two that are not there anymore for
07:31:17 a piece one year.
07:31:18 And you see that. Yeah, you see that the first time it was Asia three now it's Israel for. So Aziza Zhu Zhu Zhu tools on Israel that allows us to deploy an app on Israel to validate your not, he's walking.
07:31:38 We had to a few months ago to use a bigger virtual machine for OpenStack, because as you know, or not be there to deploy OpenStack, we are to unleash the NF in OpenStack going to the entities.
07:31:55 And for the automated tests using virtual machine we needed to have an OpenStack deployed somewhere.
07:32:04 And so we have, we have an OpenStack and our first deployment was too small and it was not allowing to deploy is a busy chair some basic use case, because that's why we had to make it bigger.
07:32:19 So, if you want to reduce.
07:32:23 So we have, as I said, we have similar three choices in my opinion. The first one is to remove staging one.
07:32:32 So no more use case this the on the on on an app on Asia. So, it would hopefully, divide by one third the price that will be the agreement.
07:32:46 If the second option would be to reduce from one team to the fun to get into one gating.
07:32:58 So that means that, again, it would reduce the price of the build by one fell flat roof he has this free this free ones are roughly the same price and this one price is not very expensive.
07:33:13 Again, that would mean that the match window in om would be a bit longer. Two times stronger, roughly, as we would have a new one gets his demo to verify patches.
07:33:33 So the sub option would be to remove one gating system from RM, and the gene, so we would be on the one set of the movie.
07:33:43 And last option would be to remove everything. So we will divide by an empty. Yeah, we move to zero, so below earner, and Israel. We don't have.
07:33:56 We, it's, it's not today and z sistema a bit smaller.
07:34:03 For a real test of Napa, because I'm using a nap.
07:34:09 And so, we are not able to use what we call the flavor, where we are within certain limits on, and under different deployments.
07:34:19 By not putting the limits. So he quest are a lot lower and so we can use a smaller should be on a test to do that.
07:34:27 We cannot be. We cannot go, we don't, we didn't deploy the bigger.
07:34:36 We tried to deploy this mode as convenient as possible, where an app can be started. So, we cannot reduce the price of one of them. So the only way to reduce the price would be to remove one two or three of them.
07:34:53 And of course you for him over. As the two gates senior system so getting four and get us free. We don't need any more getting getting which is the one and things are microservices.
07:35:06 I think some micro services we will choose between three are making for when, when the availability for gate.
07:35:15 So that many of the eyes no option we are not deploying more, just for the pleasure, I would say. So really we are at the minimum.
07:35:29 I guess I would love to have Ed from a user people. So, to see what we can do more, but today I don't think we can do less than what we have today, and less 13 one of the greatest.
07:35:48 So, except the gating which was set up to he plays a staging and that's something we need to debate because, at one point, if we pay we deliver who we cannot be easier.
07:36:01 So one of them need to remove the question here, raised on this school is not about we need to hit us whatever, it seems, it's to understand how the consumption is spent beyond the fact that we are creating because if this pre gating are set up.
07:36:21 since January.
07:36:24 1 2021, why and again I don't have any access to all these things night or to be in light of the consumption and I don't want you to answer the question, but the big problem it's based on what I'm hearing from here and from others.
07:36:42 The bill is not mostly consistent.
07:36:47 But continuously increasing, and the concern is, when we will stop because we had the budget define and I don't know the numbers by hard, And I'm hearing, we already under the key of both, and we are in October, and we have still three months before the
07:37:18 of this year, so that's that's really, that's really the question. So you see you, you double from July to August.
07:37:16 Right. Yeah. So, to be honest, I knew everything I would need you to answer that I'm not seeing that.
07:37:24 So I didn't have time to really dig on it so what I can say is that, I guess. So, we I can do the math to see my, my, my guess is that somewhere. Yeah, I yet to raise, as the size of storage.
07:37:54 If take taken a price, and I certainly could be, unless.
07:37:52 So maybe I'm wrong, so I will take a deeper look.
07:37:56 But I didn't see any user changes user issue that I have here is that only.
07:38:02 So, if I.
07:38:03 So for example, on arranged for unknown reason I'm receiving the invoices of orange box.
07:38:12 Israel.
07:38:12 But, yeah, if I do,
07:38:16 download that.
07:38:18 You will see that I am not allowed, because it's a semester it next condition.
07:38:23 So, I'm sorry because I never tried to do that so it's mean you may fall down so. So, if I can have access to that I can also dictate group but yeah if you can look at there you see that there are some kind of regulation stuff so maybe prices are I'll
07:38:43 be different. So, if you look at the year, we have also been seven grand. So, I need to take a look
07:38:54 on data in order to make you a better answer than just Yes, I agree with you it's we're moving from five grants to 10 grants, between July and August.
07:39:10 As I said, the only reason I see the price of
07:39:17 an hour drive, but if I take a look at here I didn't see any changes that then we have known as far they know as we know it was a change during this time so let me take.
07:39:34 I can, if you want.
07:39:37 We're going to change that.
07:39:42 So, I don't want to just let you whatever, but you see better the problem now, it's the inconsistency.
07:39:54 With the consumption. So, I think you are doing a fantastic job nobody will be nine, because we need this environment for look at your own up with at one point.
07:40:07 But at one point. People are looking at the finance concern.
07:40:12 Bro biking Ebro by myself with representing all of you at the end.
07:40:18 And, and I'm personally struggling to have a concrete explanation. If the both asking me what will be your projection you say to 33% but you have not been able to maintain to stay within your boundaries.
07:40:33 I will say yeah, you're probably right.
07:40:37 Yeah, and and yeah maybe Katrina, maybe me Sorry or states maybe
07:40:47 because but to be honest, we don't have a. We don't have a record our look on civilians across. I think anyway that's a good listener wish to knock out to, to improve the process.
07:40:59 It said maybe to force us to check that on the I think we need to.
07:41:03 It's up to bit diabetes kind of process and it may be to our to the details of the beats to be honest on wire.
07:41:11 The cost as increase during the last month.
07:41:30 But yes, definitely we need to do better or it's a money towards this kind of consumption on.
07:41:21 Yeah, the rest on that but also I, I think, I think we have not clearly defines a process out Marino's that.
07:41:32 So now, let's take the opportunity to do it.
07:41:36 Yes, that that's the issue is we're running without controls right now and we need to put some controls
07:41:43 that we can do to be sure, I can guarantee you that only this resources are only useful and again Tina on upstaging sighs No, no program about that but it's true that I have not been elected by any made from from as us that we, we, we add so so so bigger.
07:42:08 Oh yeah well they they yeah they wouldn't do that they're there they're happy to take our money.
07:42:16 That's, that's, that's one of the big traps with with with some of the cloud services is with the pay as you go it's just like okay well it's it's, you know, put it on my account put it on my account, and by the by the end of the night.
07:42:34 Your pub bill is far more than you have in your pocket.
07:42:41 Yeah, that everybody's drunk, but
07:42:47 to be more concrete I think now we understand the concern of all the parties, right. So I think we need first to review any event confirm, no no no I need all of these things, that's fine.
07:43:02 So at least we can start to project based on what it is here. And maybe set up a monthly review or, I don't think we need to check every two weeks except if we need to do so.
07:43:14 whatever check born with the concern people we ever uninviting the calendar where we have the integration team, the people familiar with the bill. And then we have an open discussion about what we see what we need to reduce, so we can better project and
07:43:36 forecast, the build, and have everything under control, why we are still using it for the benefit of the community.
07:43:45 So, can Is it something you can set up with the team and a monthly check or be monthly, I don't know what the right.
07:43:54 Yeah, yes I don't run two teams that are very lucid maybe we can have a look with Kenny on myself. Yes.
07:44:04 Maybe someone has a limited team on if we detect some specific program. In such cases, we can ask a salami hard on those are people to, to understand why we we add it for example.
07:44:21 Next week to the dean.
07:44:23 Sure. I mean when I say demon was not thinking at the routine but we need people who understand this, you are the hypothesis.
07:44:33 Yeah, yeah. I don't want to Brussels and let's let's try this skinny jacket on each size new programs on the program but if we are prevent Of course we can ask the right the right person to to analyze.
07:44:51 So, okay, that's good.
07:44:54 And if you can prepare me one or two slides in case of attendees that he
07:45:02 can he can you capture an action that you will organize a meeting with Eric, and every anybody from the THC is also welcome if they want to.
07:45:12 But I think this one I will delegate.
07:45:15 So, I will not engage myself on this except if you want me. And then, let's start from now, right.
07:45:24 Kenny, can you capture this this action item. Yep, that's fantastic.
07:45:31 Guys, if I may just add my two cents because I'm just why we've been discussing open taking a look into AKSR price calculator. And it seems that we can save at least 30% on the price.
07:45:47 If we change the model from pay as you go to one year reserved.
07:45:51 So, there is a DSC decision that, that we want to keep that then.
07:45:57 So, we already did that for most of the machines that we have I need to double check. And to see if we can do better. But we did that at least
07:46:12 one year ago to move to to to to wear suits.
07:46:20 One year is our vision.
07:46:20 So, and, unfortunately, we already at that, so maybe it's because it has been finished, I,
07:46:33 I wasn't sure.
07:46:35 I have to check that that I thought it would be a renewal dramatically so maybe it's it's a reason that we are being read more. So maybe there are several, I guess there are several reasons.
07:46:49 I was taking a look and I see that the last time we can start getting system where our 55 days ago.
07:46:59 So, that means that we are really that, and I guess that's at this time that I've upgraded the size of the virtual machine hosting OpenStack that. So, but, unfortunately, we did that because it was not working well before.
07:47:20 So, it may not be that easy to, to, to, to, to, to shrink it, but I will take it.
07:47:29 Yeah, so I think I think we understand now.
07:47:34 We are, we are all on the same page now understanding the where the fundamental concerns are in the in the problem that we need to address.
07:47:43 So, thank you so much for going over this. I've taken the action to set up the call.
07:47:50 I will.
07:47:53 If you want to be added to the meeting just drop your note into the, into the chat window.
07:48:04 And I'll add you to the, to the meeting invite.
07:48:09 So I think that at this point.
07:48:13 Probably Catherine need to move on and cover the CF stuff.
07:48:22 Because I think the team needed 45 minutes.
07:48:28 I don't know who need presentation rights,
07:48:36 give to him.
07:48:36 He will share.
07:48:38 I will do that.
07:48:42 And why we are doing some issue with the CNS Task Force.
07:48:48 And why we are doing some issue with the CNS Task Force, we have planned civil ido because we believe it's important that you not only see the result of the center Task Force who do release itself, but also to give you an overview about the discussion
07:49:01 the type of discussion, which are currently ongoing, the type of format that we are trying to build to continue of cloud narrative, but also have seen a journey.
07:49:14 These are separated topics but we are underlying both within the same task force. So, we have seen today will give us more insight about the ESDVO, and also the SEC in a package evolution.
07:49:29 I think beyond we can say that it's a partnership between 10 beyond here all the names. So I give you the floor, know that know that you already. Yeah, Marianne MTN and me.
07:49:41 Okay. Yep.
07:49:42 Yes Can everyone see my share screen. Yes yes we can. Can you move to slideshow if it's possible.
07:49:52 We will do that.
07:49:54 Okay.
07:49:56 All right. So, this is a collaborative work from the orchestration scenario, the slide deck is contributed mainly from Nokia and Ericsson I think also, some of the feedback from other member in that team.
07:50:28 So, I do kind of first introduced into a TLC really decided to buy up to three parts and each group will share their speaking on this slide deck. I will go over the first part, part one, and then the detail, or two.
07:50:34 I also go through with Marion from Erickson's to show some of the detail part.
07:50:42 And then, in that part. We also talked about some of the example.
07:50:47 And then part three, is the owner Park. And I think that's more also focus more into the own app and I think we own will take care of that part.
07:50:59 Okay. Um, so a quick short summary.
07:51:04 For those who likes one slider. So what this slide, basically tried to do share is that first. The rationale of having this new application service descriptor ASD is to be able to simplify the descriptor and not to read.
07:51:28 Duplicate, some of the other descriptor parameters and values available through the containers world applications, and so forth. So we want something is very small and lightweight.
07:51:45 That only represents things that don't exist in other descriptors.
07:51:52 We also want to be able to leveraging out some of the existing packaging standard.
07:51:58 In this case we think the existing so for, you know now, and other standard body kind of indoors or reference to so for, but we do need to make some small modifications to so forth.
07:52:15 So that's, that's the motivations and then just two, three area get in. Oh, now we have today, somewhat two different path of descriptor one path is based on Etsy so one somewhat more of an abstract layers, based on Etsy mental architecture and 911.
07:52:40 And then we have a direct path projects that us Helm chart directly without so one.
07:52:50 And there are some possible commonality so that's when this kind of activity trigger in the orchestration scenario, and the task force.
07:53:00 So, there's two bullet point where the detail of work has been done in the last two or three months.
07:53:10 I won't go open it but for your reference you can go in here.
07:53:15 The status of it is that we, in this team we complete all the, all of the inflammation elements of the modeling of the ASD.
07:53:31 And then the example, and then also complete the park.
07:53:48 For information on spec citations and also for the POC.
07:53:55 We also confidence that we have enough materials to start involved in the own app modeling subcommittee, and request them to start planning and engaged, working on defined somewhat like a stage two documents, their process to document the modeling.
07:54:15 And I think this type of work will most likely will be targeted for the.
07:54:19 These ad hoc group or the subset.
07:54:23 In this resource modeling team.
07:54:28 Also, this work is also motivated for driving for support some of the old grand activities.
07:54:36 I won't go through a detail but this is a moving target because this is a external, we, we, meaning Nokia and Ericsson has been submitted to overran similar slide deck, and we have continued to update as the work progress and own map.
07:54:57 So that's a quick summary on what we have.
07:55:03 Now, I'll go into the rabbit detail so people in this group, understand, the goal.
07:55:11 Okay, so what's this as the proposal, really contain it contains two parts.
07:55:18 First part is addressing the packaging, so that container vendors application vendor know how the packaging their specifications descriptors and so forth.
07:55:29 So, we would continue to use the season package and every indicated most likely will be so for small change to add the application service descriptor.
07:55:43 And then the artifacts and other type of content that normal packaging. So that's one piece. The other piece is the ASD.
07:55:56 And this ASD with also is first of all the as the concept is generic to support any kind of deployment tool.
07:56:09 In this example on this slide deck. We want to narrow it down so that way we can focus on the pot and focus on short term. In this example I show it's held, but it can be applicable for any kind of tools in the future or current.
07:56:29 Okay.
07:56:31 In because of this is we talked about containers in the community so I show here's a hill that we assuming there will be some kind of tool version three exists in the orchestration of functions, in this case, and the VOSM or some in the on that.
07:56:52 So that's the big picture.
07:56:54 The next part the series of next couple slides.
07:56:58 I will go really quick, because it's really get to detail, and so forth. So this is a top level of the ASD.
07:57:07 I want to highlight couple area. That's important. Of course, most of them. Most of the roles appear a very easy to understand and the typical top level, but the last few quite unique.
07:57:23 One is the as the external connection point.
07:57:28 We do recognize that this application need to also describe some connectivity from the outside world to be able to communicate and be able to set up for the connections.
07:57:45 I will let Marian go into detail on that part in this next series wise, and then the enhanced cluster capabilities. These attributes of his properties also represent things that don't yet exist or don't exist in the low level so this template level template,
07:58:07 its target mainly for the cluster so that way, is easy to understand, and so forth. and Marion will will also go into detail that. And then the deployment item.
07:58:21 This was trigger, where we would discuss earlier, of the year or last year, about the issue of different
07:58:33 sequence or Helm charts with order need to be installed ca or B boy, and how we get the input and output type of value inject to those charts.
07:58:47 So I will now varying you want to go through a couple and then when they get to my part and I will take over again. Yeah, there. Yes, I'm here, I hope you can hear me well.
07:59:02 And, as was already indicated that we need to provide information so that orchestrator can manage the connectivity.
07:59:15 And there is this is the external connection point, the definition attribute, and.
07:59:30 Here is Example, where we showing how that can look like if we target the primary interface primary Kubernetes interface. So we have to, because we have a full set, which is in this deck, but I will not go through all the details out we can model and
07:59:43 we also using secondary networking, as those who are familiar at little bit today knows that this is not a trivial part and some effort needs to be put and the team who developed these the specification.
08:00:00 They feel feel comfortable that we have a solid description and modeling for that. But what we are showing here is that we need to for each every service which is exposed by the application, we need to provide
08:00:19 information how connectivity is done to it. So we need to model it, and there are multiple way it's because the services they can be exposed to different networks like on different users like it's all in them is backhaul is legal intercept, and so on.
08:00:42 So, in order to help the orchestrator to relate, where the connectivity needs to be established. So, where are the IP address needs to be taken from and so on, we have this virtual link requirement, which is a string, which will then indicate what network
08:01:01 that should be connected to.
08:01:04 And of course we need to also provide mapping, because there is a definition in how charts or the lower level, charts, where the relationship needs to be provided that is is this input parameter mappings.
08:01:22 And we said that that has a date data type external connection point definition parameter mapping.
08:01:28 So if you click Next slide.
08:01:30 that is showing.
08:01:54 The, the, this data type external connection by definition parameter mappings items which there is no surprise that is IP address parameter. And this is, which holds the IP address attribute to this interface.
08:01:53 And then now this will be passed to the deployment tool when deploying deploying the respective deployment artifacts which could be the helm chart which is holding that parameters.
08:02:04 So you see also the other parameters which are relevant when we talk about the secondary networking. So, like, the network address attachment the definitions and network address the attachment definition namespace.
08:02:25 So we could cover also that specific when we talk when we are modeling secondary network.
08:02:31 So if you click once more.
08:02:33 So we are now entering the enhanced cluster capabilities. So we introduced these two have a possibility to provide information which can't be handled through the low level of charts like from home charts.
08:02:51 And for instance here as a mandatory mandatory parent attribute will be minimal calendar version.
08:03:00 We could also list, the required kernel modules or conflicting kernel modules, we know from our commercial deployments that this is sometimes important to have that, because if this is a there is a conflict or modules are missing that application will
08:03:17 be deployed but it will not work. You have to see are these if they are the tendency of C or D, which are not coming with application they can be listed here.
08:03:27 And we have a cluster labels. This is more gave freedom to associate arbitrary labels to cluster. And with that help the orchestrator to select the proper cluster.
08:03:44 For the deployment of the particle applications. So that could be after this not fully standardized, but it can be used to practically solve the problems for deployment.
08:03:58 We also indicate here secondary interface plugin.
08:04:02 We know that this is complicated stuff, because the dependencies are quite important for applications for instance if you use multiple CNI, then you, your application needs to be modeled in.
08:04:26 In annotation in a home chart in a very specific way. So, therefore, we have this indication to orchestrator to select, if the application requires it.
08:04:39 Then, to select the cluster which provides this secondary interface plugin.
08:04:45 I think that is very short overview of this little bit more detail.
08:04:52 And I think you will now explain that, if there be having multiple have charts, then how to handle the ordering.
08:05:04 Yes.
08:05:06 Okay.
08:05:08 On this part, which is one of the last item on the top level of the ASD is the deployment items. And this, it has three major parts that I want to bring up one first is the, This attributes artifact type is pretty straightforward know let people know
08:05:30 what that artifact is the deployment order.
08:05:36 I think I have a, next slide, but basically it's a set of integers that one can put in so that the orchestrators with no.
08:05:48 What sequence series of parallel to be deployed Pacific artifacts.
08:05:55 This is PR artifacts and the top level, it will list, a series of different deployment items. And then we have what we call life cycle parameters. These are list of parameters that will be used to override the some of the default
08:06:17 on the helm charts.
08:06:19 So that's her artifacts, also. So now we have a mechanism that tied to Pacific artifact, and then be able to deploy in then we're able to inject specific set of life cycle parameters.
08:06:39 So that's that's what we model. And I think this is, I kind of explain, on a deployment order. So I will skip here.
08:06:52 Um, that's pretty much the, the, as the, we call it the lightweight version The script is very lightweight, the information is contained here. So what we have there is just to show this proposal can be applicable for on nap or ran in here I somewhat kind
08:07:18 of used the icon that kind of us for the
08:07:22 Orion representation. So, here you have a package you have an ASB, and then it can have other descriptor right here, could be other type of applications character or machine language model descriptor.
08:07:39 The bottom line you said we want to go back to Etsy.
08:07:45 To request some small change because current Etsy so one it men day that has to be.
08:07:52 I mean so force back in mandate has to be either so one Costco based VNFD, or so six which is a young bass VNFD as a main top level.
08:08:08 In this case, we just need to make that small change. And then we able to reuse the cell phone specifications
08:08:18 next couple slides, I'll skip this and go to the next slide, this is mainly from your reference of kind of explained different Brock, as an example, this is just purely examples not what we are proposing to be a normative, except that depend on the use
08:08:44 case would be required like the helm deployment tool or home tool. So I'll use this slide kind of walk through conceptually, so that everyone know how would be would be working out the package will be get on boarded.
08:09:00 And here, in this icon.
08:09:02 I have an orchestrator so it could be an appeal so more on that.
08:09:09 The deployment tool here, in this example made me focus on how tool, but it could be any other tool.
08:09:18 So, from, from a starting. When you inject bullet one is when you put in a request, you will inject a set of parameters. As part of that.
08:09:34 Life Cycle parameters that we talked about earlier, that will bring it in to some deployment functions in the orchestrators or some, some function there.
08:09:45 And that functions will collect receive all that information and pass that to the deployment tool. In this case the helm three that include the parameters and all what's include the cloud artifacts in the packaging.
08:10:06 So, the helm tool with the parameters. Now, has enough information to be able to generate a rendering of a kh resources script descriptor.
08:10:19 So that's now is a concrete descriptor based on specific set of parameters.
08:10:26 Now that's at the Ka resource descriptor.
08:10:30 Plus, the icon that that's show as a read data, we assume we expecting, there are some other data type of data, information that available to the orchestrator.
08:10:44 That will be needed to be able to do the specific function in this case is the placement functions.
08:10:52 So, in this proposal we don't talk about how that data get there, or what type, it's.
08:11:00 We expect a data depend on that specific function or endpoint.
08:11:06 So that deployment in this case will pass along the, the ASD. the K resource to their placement functions.
08:11:15 The placement function will process it and be able to come back. In this example, Pacific plus ID
08:11:24 to do the deployment function.
08:11:28 And from their deployment ID, interact with the helm tool to be able to initiate the the actual deployment on bullet six.
08:11:43 They include again, Pacific artifact parameters in this case you will pass whatever cluster that he deployed.
08:11:50 interface, to be able to instantiate and deploying that containers.
08:12:12 So that's how we see the, the, the ASD with minimum area where they as they will be involved in this flow
08:12:25 I think this would stop here. So maybe I will take one or two comments before we get to the park.
08:12:44 Okay. Um, I don't hear raise hand or comment.
08:12:49 I will move forward to the park.
08:13:00 Part.
08:13:02 Beyond Are you there. Yes, I'm here. Okay, So this is a one slider and the high level of the park, currently in progress, and target for Jakarta.
08:13:06 So if you use the reflect the scene just explain about the example flow of your application deployment you can probably looking at number two, the focus area.
08:13:18 But anyway, before we do number four focus and this is architecture, we define so far. And then, we define the several focus area, first of all, we want to own up support the onboarding of the ASD.
08:13:36 And then also we want to orchestrate a st requests coming from so client and always client to so and then how so are the defined under the how the process model information and input parameter, and then decide which flow to launch.
08:13:57 all kind of a request for example, originated or hit based on the orchestration se days, and now ASD. So there are several, and also so they now they're supporting hierarchical layers for example service layer network service layer and CNN VNF layer was
08:14:20 DCNF layer we now in this picture represented by using the ASD. Anyway, So, and the number three we focus it not, you know, we try to do which one, which item we're going to tackle first with number three, so we want to support the, the automated fashion
08:14:38 and distribution for the STC services, as usual, are you through the D map, and also number three, there is, we want to store the ASD from a vendor, regional, and also as the prime which is enhanced by the SEC at the class level.
08:14:59 And we want to have some kind of mechanisms to it.
08:15:02 And also we want to distribute to them artifact repository and image repository. So that's what our orchestrator, and then cnn manager and the covenant, they can retrieve the, the artifact from the repository test, we tried to automate that the floor,
08:15:20 and the summit we achieved this automated fashion, limited.
08:15:38 See, we, we test it, we support SD based artifact automation dis automatic distribution, but we try to extend that nessa number three area. Number of the number one focus area is the ASD as a medium and the theme define the ASD spec.
08:15:44 We're going to try to create a phase three Tosca or the simple youngster and the discussion for PRC we are using a simplified Tosca based, we are creating the ASD package, and then onboarding as DC and STC, they can design the input in the onboarding
08:16:20 That's what we talking about as the prime, and also our service description service package we generate, and then we distribute the service packages through the typical the email channel equals two, so he goes SDN see some of the San Diego's the CDs.
08:16:40 Some of the CVA goes to CDs. And then also, and I, and then so and then also the this new repository so that's the number one.
08:16:49 We have print, it has this either way.
08:16:52 During tech editor.
08:16:54 And number two, has seen mentioned about the, you know, the example flow. So, crying, send request to so.
08:17:07 So, he received the input parameter.
08:17:09 From the client and then they retrieved the metadata from the service, Cesar. And then, and they detected, you know what model information, and then they decide which flow in this case, okay this is ASD.
08:17:25 and then leveraging him. Then they invoked CNF manager, in this case.
08:17:33 So I named the CNF manager and he served according to version three. I don't want to expose technology specific dependency here.
08:17:43 So we defined scatter manager and senior manager on a combined.
08:18:01 As the prime input parameter through the. So, and then additional the computers and data in either coming from CDs or some other way to handle, and then coming into that and then to generate or combine all the attributes and input parameter and then descriptor
08:18:07 and combine it, and they just create a covenant resources, either through the Harlem temporary or some other way, they just tried one and create resources based on resources day according to our placement for decide where to get the, you know, and deployed
08:18:25 deploy this item. Yes sir indicating a nine. And then once that they ready to send it they just invoke to coordinate through the API. And in this case, Conan API.
08:18:38 This the other you know some deployment scenario.
08:18:43 And here you can see the bottom there is optional, to be. And in the direct CNF past currently the Lucas and says you provided into our own app. They leveraging SDN see and CDs for the resolving the assignment input parameter, and then also custom on
08:19:03 the various they handed this way. But as you know, the ASD specifications so they can have a lot of a placeholder for holding the input parameter for example, lifecycle parameters so there are several ways to handle the custom they are you so we are under
08:19:20 evaluate which one is the best for disappear. See, so that's why still CDs channel and then as the emcee for this custom value is see on the discussion, and then I protest by productivity.
08:19:47 The one difference between the current direction of the past, the current there's a cabinet. The plugin in the multi cloud.
08:19:51 And that handle PR Helen, but as you see the, the ASD include multiple Hallam chart because he can consist of multiple and chart. So we position the senior manager handy at the ASD level.
08:20:07 And then they can handle multiple. Hello, charts, invocation through the cabinet. So them is Sierra manager can see over see what happened in the this ASD.
08:20:20 That's why we push CNF management position here. So that, including the underneath Hallam client and slash proxy. And then you can hold their own database for custom Yama, and the desktop idea.
08:20:45 So that means in so that you know supporting the hierarchical on the orchestration so handy services and if we praise NFL for the network services, and in ASP network service can reference ASD to in the future there in that case that NFU slash so can
08:21:07 So can delegate. This ASD orchestration to senior manager, so we can you know high more detailed design we need to discuss but at the high level orchestration, the architecture level, we define this way.
08:21:21 And then also we have to have today we have need to work on the AI, how to represent the policy and inventory, you know, into a an AI So, so be ready for use that information for control roof and others.
08:21:38 And then also, The CNF manager can not only talking to Kevin manager had an effect. It will talk to of and is talking to of, if we have is not used yet, but if of and other equivalent to use it and he can talk to, and I are multi cloud, and the policy
08:22:03 so this we tried to looking at that. So, this is a high level. So far, this is what we have so far and then we are on the discussion to how to handle a mobile application.
08:22:14 In this case we just talked about network production deployment but as he designed to support application to. So we are looking at, looking into the application management.
08:22:28 to So, so we will define the architecture for the to cover the area, but anyway for Jakarta, This is a focus area. This is the priority. So, and this is what we are thinking how to support ASD.
08:22:40 And that's, that's all I have now. Any questions before giving a fair. Thank you.
08:22:52 Quick question what what is your nephew manager.
08:22:54 What is a module will implement this function.
08:23:00 Remember you from as soon as a manager Okay, this is considering desta design I can, we can discuss the next time but you know some I'm talking to, Lucas and then can we, you know, leverage the existing the coconut plugin.
08:23:20 And then this is the Senior Manager Damian's is going to be sub component of the, so we position their way, but we can talk more. For example, in so we introduced so NFL, and the OEM perspective this is separate self component so.
08:23:37 Likewise, we are thinking about this CNFM is the separate sub component, but we need to discuss further with the session others. And then for now in today right if I thinking I center manager is a separate sub component or so ago, so have multiple several
08:23:54 component that's considering. And then underneath. We may the merge the functionality of the current coordinate the plugin function into this, and then that as a proxy of the LM client.
08:24:08 So that's what I'm thinking about it. So, so we can talk more about the sign of the component realization, can we can talk next time. But today, with this high level functional architecture, and what earlier we want to focus of the I answer your question.
08:24:30 One question for my side sales and is here. Sorry to
08:24:37 interrupt you.
08:24:41 The. That means, in the future or in this park. The STC would be enhanced to also.
08:24:52 Let's say contain. Actually, then the, the images, because this is at the moment, not the case right so the in the sec model you don't have, of course, then the the the the artifacts.
08:25:08 And what of course would be from the picture of showing Of course, when you buy the HD also consists or contains the CBI package which is normally the case right.
08:25:18 If the CDs is done this distributing than the CDs per se be a package to the CDs, I mean it's.
08:25:26 Yeah, so that would stay as it as it is, but you would need to and to an extent is, including as well the the image artifacts right. Yes, yes, yes image, image it can be embedded into st or the reference.
08:25:42 So this, but here enhanced as the talking is the mechanism we are discussing the one of the suggest the mechanism is using the value schema for the Jason, in part of the as the package, which support by Helen version three I think Marian way.
08:26:01 So there's a one of the way that means in the schema schema Jason, they defined, which you want is to customizable are the properties so that means when STC UI, or something.
08:26:16 So Klein UI to sec that the class febrile, they can use that schema, and then they can in an UI they generate on which, which are the property user can further customize, so they enhance the ASD, including some, you know, So, column chart so that's the
08:26:35 one view. So we want to enhance in SF DC so in case the STC you I need to add additional. The.
08:26:44 And we are talking about internal as the view, not the vendor vendor we not touching that event with the once the own body, we try to enhance the ASD description part and then adding the default value or customized default value and also the extended
08:27:01 some attribute. That's what a sec, and the views so far. And then also, the currently STC has a multi model on the feature, they support it through, I think, from the Honolulu.
08:27:15 So that means we try to support the multiple model in sec so as DC wanted to model. So that means we try to have a separate onboarding procedure. And then some put the mark on this is for ASD and this is for something so we can mark, and not only for
08:27:33 notification in the services, or some resource in DSP they have some indication is this you know some disease for st so so when they process model, and they know what process to invoke.
08:27:48 So they're still current sec but each item. We are working to provide details. And then for example I next cycle and we're going to talk about STC what the onboarding cycle and procedure happen what item, we can, how are we going to change it so we're
08:28:06 going to add plan. And number two, and CF manager in you know more structure, and how they are in a day out. It's a sub component of the functionality of the senior manager, how they handle it.
08:28:20 Now the release level now release means instance level on covenant instant input parameter how they map it. So, for that purpose we can leverage CDs and in CVA so that's why on the discussion, but in ASD perspective there are other way to handle the override
08:28:39 value so that's why we try to merge and then try to you know, pick the best solution so anyway.
08:28:51 Just to add to that in the material we didn't went through all the slides but there is a one slide at the end with it showing the idea how to use this value schema Jason capability of how we three,
08:29:07 skip to that portion Yeah, so this one.
08:29:10 This is what younger was referring to that you can use. This is not really a SD capability. This is the v3 capability that you can define the value schema Jason, which will automatically validate value CML file, so that you as a vendor or V as a vendor
08:29:31 can make immutable definition, what the content should be. And as a part of it. So we suggesting to use some tagging where you can label the parameters which are intended to be externally changed, let's say this is what is exposed to the customer and
08:29:52 assume that customer can change them, and then also label them as a internal which we say this is more like a we provide this vendor suggestion how the parameters should be handled.
08:30:05 Yeah, this is just an illustration, as a best practice which can be used and together when we use the the ASD.
08:30:16 Yes sir, Hallam is evolving one is evolving so you know when we design owner.
08:30:22 We, we designed based on debt, the technology at that time. So we are leveraging it any, any better way open source to, you know, tackle technology and make it facilitate our, you know handling this Why are we looking at this CVA and see the solution
08:30:40 to, but we also exploring the, what other open source, you know the best practice and the way to. I think we are getting a signal that is time check. so I think we should conclude today's presentation.
08:30:53 Yeah, and that's it. Yeah. Okay.
08:30:58 All right. Okay.
08:31:00 I guess wrap up maybe threads, you, you have some stuff you want to say also relate to some Etsy.
08:31:09 I'd say we're probably out of time from the meeting time but I have posted a presentation, but the puzzle.
08:31:20 And we can discuss with THC subcommittee, there's time for that.
08:31:28 All right, and I think we done, Kenny, I think, from the project side at this point I think we finished our presentation.
08:31:41 So I can stop sharing now.
08:31:49 Thank you so much, then I'm really appreciate all the work you guys have done.
08:31:57 So, based upon the time. If you're interested in the election.
08:32:02 There were 15 people running for 25 potential seats.
08:32:07 So, the long story short, is that everyone was elected.
08:32:13 If you want to know about the details of the election.
08:32:16 You can hang on the call and I'll run through those.
08:32:47 Hang on, life, my system just froze
08:32:51 system just froze.
08:32:57 Is it back.
08:33:02 Yes it is. Okay, great.
08:33:07 So, This is a rundown on
08:33:18 the election hang on here I'm just having.
08:33:22 Something's happening I'm not sure what.
08:33:25 As I said, 25 seats available 15 people ran. Here are the candidates that ran.
08:33:32 I want to thank the folks on the city that are currently sitting on the PSC that did not run for reelection.
08:33:44 That's Kieran, Jason.
08:33:51 It was
08:33:54 Martin, and Sweeney.
08:33:57 So thank you all for your support of the TLC in the past and appreciate everything that you did.
08:34:11 So, screenshot of the election shows kind of how things were running over time I really like a vote it provides a lot of information.
08:34:21 I will be sending out the results to the folks that actually voted in the election.
08:34:32 The rest of the information is is published here on the wiki I've already attached it to the minutes total of 350 ballots were sent out.
08:34:42 42 of those were undeliverable.
08:34:46 As far as the voter activity.
08:34:52 The key numbers here is that the there, I found this interesting that there were actually 158 people that went to the vote site, and only 136 actually cast ballots.
08:35:13 There were votes that were disabled manually by me.
08:35:19 To change the addresses.
08:35:22 This was in response to somebody saying hey I didn't get my ballot please use this address.
08:35:30 So I would disable the old address and apply a new one.
08:35:35 What I think's funny about that is, is that out of that 10. There were two folks that that had me changed their ballot, and then didn't vote.
08:35:45 But overall, we had about a 40% response rate, which is pretty decent.
08:35:54 How rejected ballots were handled.
08:35:58 If I received the rejection notice from Oprah vote.
08:36:04 I sent out a separate male but instructions on what to do were provided in the original announcement email that went out.
08:36:12 And also we covered it in the TLC meeting last week, so I sent out separate emails to all the people.
08:36:20 Also for sitting TASC representatives. If there were email bounces from a domain associated with their company or group of companies. I reached out to them as well saying hey here are people that did not receive a vote.
08:36:38 And then if anyone contacted me in advance of the email I sent out yesterday afternoon corrective action was taken.
08:36:46 If you tried to contact me after that.
08:36:50 I'm sorry but your, your would not receive your ballot because I was not aligned.
08:36:59 So, votes by domain, I won't run into this, I want to detail this is you can look at it at your leisure.
08:37:08 Here's the ranking of the results of all of the voting. So congratulations to everyone. Catherine, Eric Magnus, Andrea says shoe.
08:37:35 Bruno rainy, read Timo Shankar, all been Don Wang, young dying, dying and shocker so congratulations to everybody.
08:37:35 This concludes my coverage of the election.
08:37:42 Next week is when the new tsp members will kick into place.
08:37:47 Beginning with this meeting. I will be sending out an email to any of the new members to make sure that they are added to everything that's appropriate.
08:37:57 And to set up some one on one calls to go over some of the expectations around the TLC and answer any questions that that may be their questions.
08:38:14 Yeah, one comment is surprised that participation was so high considering it was mostly foremost, so I don't think we can deduce anything about participation levels for other elections and question What is this new tool exactly and why did you switch
08:38:30 over from the old Condorcet one.
08:38:48 The old tool that we were using was CIPS which was hosted by
08:38:48 Cornell I think it was a one of the universities back east.
08:38:51 And they changed their usage model to one where folks actually had to register on the site to vote.
08:39:05 So open vote allowed us to provide out to do it. There's a nominal fee for running an election that if it's a small election, you can do it for free.
08:39:19 But if you've got quite a few voters then there's a nominal cost with it.
08:39:25 Which is, is basically in the noise range so nothing to worry about it was only like $30 for the selection
08:39:33 of it also provides a great deal of additional insight into how the vote is progressing. What, what things are happening and how to handle, how to handle rejected ballots and things like that so was a lot.
08:39:57 First, I used it for the first time with the EAG election. A couple weeks ago, and I was really happy with it, and using it for the own app TASC I'm super happy with it.
08:40:16 Okay, Thanks for sure uh one thing, Kenny.
08:40:19 So when you say Condorcet that's a that's a type of voting. Not that that's supported by yeah multiple systems, it's not a.
08:40:30 It's not a brand of itself, Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. So, if I understand correctly, opa votes. Also, were using the Condorcet method, under hope about so it's the same method, just a different implementation on a different side.
08:40:50 Yeah.
08:41:04 I didn't remember this name so it's taking me to use Connor said, Okay,
08:41:03 here's Katrina I just wanted to extend my son's indeed to G zones Kini.
08:41:10 They have been there since the inception. So, it will be strange to not have them on board for another year.
08:41:21 And there are really one personally to thank them for their contribution. I know Jason will continue to be your key stakeholders, being the chair of the tech, and also continue to be part of your nap community with his team members and skinny will continue
08:41:39 to evolve with the MMO adventure, which has been recently.
08:41:46 Open Source by his company. So thank you to both of us who are still on the bridge, otherwise I will communicate. And I don't see the other software being part of the adventure so I will write a note later.
08:42:00 And, Yeah. Congratulation to the new DSC members.
08:42:07 So, it will be an interesting year. So thank you so much.
08:42:14 Thank you so much everybody. I'm the only last thing that I want to mention is the one summits next week. If you haven't registered, please do so.
08:42:25 It's Monday and Tuesday and if you, you know, encourage you to pull your work teams or subcommittees to see if you should cancel your cancel your meetings.
08:42:41 Along with that, I know there are a number of people on this call that are interested in the topside g project and potential use cases that they're introducing into own app and other projects, and they will be having a mini summit, that is connected to
08:43:02 ones, next week it's on the 11th in parallel with the main summit.
08:43:09 And so you're automatically registered for that when you register for one summit.
08:43:18 So if you're interested.
08:43:21 Feel free to join those sessions on the 11th.