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13:47:21 <kennypaul> #startmeeting VF2F-2018-02-05
13:47:21 <collabot`> Meeting started Mon Feb  5 13:47:21 2018 UTC.  The chair is kennypaul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:49:01 <kennypaul> #chair phrobb, BinY_, SteveT
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14:01:13 <SteveT> #info Stephen Terrill, Ericsson
14:03:47 <JasonHunt> #info Jason Hunt, IBM
14:04:13 <gilbert> #info mazin gilbert
14:04:51 <RannyHaiby> #info Ranny Haiby, Nokia
14:09:57 <DhananjayPavgi> #info Dhananjay Pavgi, Tech Mahindra Ltd
14:12:49 <SteveT> #topic Architecture Review and approval
14:13:33 <SteveT> #info Chris Donley presented the Beijing architecture
14:14:01 <SteveT> #info This includes the high level architecture. Chris quickly went through each module
14:15:56 <SteveT> #info There was a question regarding what was the difference between the Amsterdam and the Beijing architecture.
14:16:40 <Zhaoxing_Meng> #info Zhaoxing Meng, ZTE
14:16:46 <Lingli> #info Lingli, China Mobile
14:17:55 <SteveT> #info Response was that there is a number of visual changes. Functional changes was to include kubernetites, highlight PNFs more, music is added.
14:18:57 <SteveT> #info there was question about kubernetes. It was clarified that it is being supported. Then there was the comment to remove the commercial VIM and public cloud boxes instead of the specificlly mentioned ones
14:19:18 <SteveT> #info it was commented that we do need a version control so we know which is the last one.
14:20:53 <SteveT> #info Chris will make the changes and come back during the week for voting.
14:24:20 <SteveT> #info The use of swagger is recomended. The documentation team is assuming the use of Swagger to document the APIs
14:28:09 <SteveT> #info Vote on the architecture will be on Thursday
14:29:20 <kennypaul> #topic Security Subcommittee
14:29:30 <DhananjayPavgi> #info Dhananjay Pavgi, Tech Mahindra Ltd
14:33:44 <kennypaul> #info SteveT reviewed the slides attached to the agenda page.
14:34:00 <kennypaul> #link https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/VF2F+Feb.+5-8%2C+2017
14:45:09 <kennypaul> #link to CII video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLYLpsvvc0
14:45:22 <cdonley> #info Chris Donley Huawei
14:55:54 <SteveT> #topic Standardized Config Management, Mike Elliot
14:56:46 <SteveT> #Mike presented a bit on the configuration management that the OOM team is doing
15:01:44 <SteveT> #info Mike presented a bit on the configuration management that the OOM team is doing
15:03:39 <SteveT> #info After using the config approach from OOM there will not be the docker config
15:04:31 <kennypaul> #info LFIT ticket mentioned is 51784
15:31:43 <SteveT> #topic Certificate, Secure Storage, Authentification.AAF-CSM by Ram Koya, Srinivasa Addepalli, Jonathan Gathman
15:35:13 <SteveT> #info Jonathan walked through the AAF capabilities
15:35:19 <SteveT> #link https://wiki.onap.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3247151
15:41:54 <SteveT> #info There was a question on how authentication should work, should the user log into every service inside onap seperately or log-on to ONAP as a whole.
15:47:38 <SteveT> #info The response is that AAF is working with oath. Then there is token passing capabilities and approach discussed in the security sub-committee.
15:57:09 <SteveT> #info The APIs are there in the AAF section
15:58:39 <SteveT> #info ONAP projects can today start with userid / Password. The use of certificates is coming
15:59:25 <SteveT> #info the adapters will handle the change from userid / password to certificates
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13:49:20 <kennypaul> #startmeeting VF2F 2018-02-06
13:49:20 <collabot`> Meeting started Tue Feb  6 13:49:20 2018 UTC.  The chair is kennypaul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:04:29 <SteveT> #topic Lab utilization / availability & Open Lab
14:05:16 <SteveT> #info Chengli Wantg presented ONAP lab availability for Beijing release
14:07:25 <SteveT> #info Morgan Richomme introduced the openlab from orange
14:18:25 <SteveT> #info will try to keep a stable release, not always uptodate on the master branch
14:18:47 <SteveT> #info there was a question about onboarding the vfirewall. The response was it could be
14:19:10 <cdonley> #info Chris Donley Huawei
14:20:38 <SteveT> #info STephen Terrill, Ericsson
14:21:23 <Zhaoxing_Meng> #info Zhaoxing Meng, ZTE
14:21:56 <SteveT> #info Considering ONAP as a service to allow people to people to try onboard etc.
14:24:34 <SteveT> #info When registered to the platform, you will be given a readme and jumphost for you as a user.
14:25:09 <SteveT> #info There will be detailed information on the wiki, which will be created soon
14:27:03 <SteveT> #topic How to Leverage Integration Lab for Pairing / Grouping Testing
14:27:16 <SteveT> #info presented by Helen, Rich Bennet, Garry, ...
14:34:20 <SteveT> #info and stephen Gooch
14:36:26 <SteveT> #info Intel lab reserved for demos during feb
14:43:36 <SteveT> #info Rich presented TLAB. Will have a daily build
14:49:04 <SteveT> #info It was suggested to update the physical labs.
14:49:11 <SteveT> #link https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Physical+Labs
14:50:14 <SteveT> #info Gary Wo presented how to deploy OOM using heat.
15:12:52 <SteveT> #topic Integration: Test Review for new features / S3P Measurement
15:13:05 <SteveT> #info presented by Helen Chen
15:14:11 <SteveT> #info Create ONAP "lite" for SE/Architect to test. Also Reference VNFs for scalability testing
15:18:16 <SteveT> #info went over what the integration team will do for s3p requirements
15:22:19 <SteveT> #info Looking at security metrics covered by the integration project.
15:26:54 <SteveT> #info Helen shared the integration projects for resiliencey
15:31:28 <SteveT> #info Helen shared the integration projects plans for Stability, Performance, scalability
15:33:21 <SteveT> #topic: LF infrastructure status - sonar/python, IRC/Chat and other Python tools
15:33:57 <SteveT> #info Presented by Catherine Leferve.
15:37:12 <SteveT> #action LF to ensure test coverage monitoring for phython (sonarpython)
15:39:03 <SteveT> #info Request to include pythong package index. PyPi server for hosting pythong packaages, the release procedures for ONAP developed Pypi packages
15:40:16 <SteveT> #info ticket 44260 exists for the creation of PyPi
15:42:44 <SteveT> #info The ticket is old. Kenny will update on this today.
15:43:37 <SteveT> #info need to document the procedure for adding new pypi packages
15:43:39 <SteveT> #action Use a Scheduled a PTL call to collect and review the PyPi packages to
15:45:28 <SteveT> #info Proposed to use Locust as a load testing framework in the integration team; and also for the developers.
15:45:36 <SteveT> #link https://locust.io/
15:47:33 <SteveT> #info The itegration is looking into it. Helen informed that the integration team plan to use jmeter and locust
15:48:09 <SteveT> #info The question that came is what do we need to do in ONAP to make this available.
15:52:00 <SteveT> #info need a process for submitting and requesting new tools.
15:52:23 <SteveT> #action put on the TSC meeting in 2 weeks.
15:53:20 <SteveT> #topic ONAP Instant Messaging Survey
15:53:35 <SteveT> #info Kenny Paul Presented the ONAP Instant messaging survey.
15:58:09 <SteveT> #info low response rate is recieved as a indication that this implies that this is not a hot issue
15:59:19 <SteveT> #info important to the integration team to reach out to the community, especially near milestones
16:04:59 <SteveT> #info The dicussion was in the direction that we need to have LF to host a messaging application as that is the least likely to be blocked as it won't look like a social media site.
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13:45:30 <kennypaul> #startmeeting vf2f 2018-02-07
13:45:30 <collabot`> Meeting started Wed Feb  7 13:45:30 2018 UTC.  The chair is kennypaul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:01:52 <SteveT> #info Stephen Terrill, ERicsson
14:02:25 <Zhaoxing_Meng> #info Zhaoxing Meng, ZTE
14:02:52 <cdonley> #info Chris Donley Huawei
14:06:36 <SteveT> #topic MSB Tutorial
14:06:51 <SteveT> #info Huabing Zhao presented the MSB tutorial
14:08:25 <SteveT> #info Huabing also offered that the tutorial can be given to projects upon request.
14:22:36 <SteveT> #info MSB is offering a RPC call, so if there is no exception it should be understood that the message is recieved by the reciever
14:33:53 <kennypaul> #info just a comment for Huabing Zhao... this is the scenario.. the receiver received a message, but the return confirmation communciation is lost. In this case, the sender did not get a successful response. Then, the sender may try to send the same message again even though the receiver received the messge. I guess MSB inherits the HTTP/HTTPS messaging reliability issue. I will contact Huabing off-line.
14:36:17 <SteveT> #topic Modeling subcommittee
14:37:24 <SteveT> #info There are several sub topics here.
14:38:15 <SteveT> #info The first subtopic is Service IM
14:45:06 <SteveT> #info next sub-topic is resource IM
14:45:24 <SteveT> #info PNFD is not defined yet, but it is consiered as a resource IM.
14:49:42 <SteveT> #info there were questions about the relationship between the service and the service component. The response was the service was more related to the customer facing service
14:50:18 <SteveT> #info Not all artifacts are yet captured in the VNF descriptor
14:53:10 <SteveT> #info the resource model is defined in a uniform way (irrespective of whether it is managed by VF-C or APP-C)
14:56:46 <SteveT> #info There was a request to discuss the modelling with the projects at a project level as well.
15:01:15 <SteveT> #info There was a question whether a service that is an infrastructure servce can be used as a service comonent in another service. The answer was that it was thought that substition could use. And it also said a service can be nested to be part of another service.
15:02:20 <SteveT> #info Next sub-topic was data model aspects
15:05:43 <SteveT> #info All datamodel information is available in the modelling sub-committee wikis
15:12:32 <SteveT> #info Discussion about aligning with standards or go for a comosite resource approach as described in the wiki.
15:13:51 <SteveT> #info next subtopic is parser centralization
15:15:30 <SteveT> #info there is a weekly call for the parser tiger team. they are preparing the user stories and requirements. Will look at API access of this parser as a service, exception handling interactation, can a placeholder be created in modelling project to on-board various parsers and abstract them with an API. PoC activities.
15:17:05 <SteveT> #info the PoC is to see if there if the centralized parser makes sense.
15:19:21 <SteveT> #info - question was do the PTLs that are using teh SDC parser today agree they need another library that is remoted. Response. The response was that the OPNF Parser is a good standard parser.
15:20:01 <SteveT> #info it was indicated that the OPNFV parser supuports yaml 1.1, with yaml 1.2 in developement
15:22:26 <SteveT> #info when considering java libraries, consider both python as well as java
15:23:31 <SteveT> #info correction - that was when considering common libraries, consider both python and java
15:25:38 <kennypaul> #link for video https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Modeling+tools
15:25:51 <SteveT> #info next subtopic was a papryus tutorial, but suggested to look at the provided link
15:26:08 <SteveT> #info There was a request for contact for all components.
15:33:53 <SteveT> #topic Usecase Subcommittee Review
15:33:58 <SteveT> #info presented by Alla
15:49:50 <SteveT> #info PNF is configured with SDNC as its a L1-L3 PNF
15:58:16 <SteveT> #info PNF support for changemanagement has not discussed change management and scaling. Not expected to be in Beijing.
16:03:46 <SteveT> #info It was noted that there is no SDC Epic for pnf support, SO neither
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06:11:50 From Mazin Gilbert : Hi
06:12:55 From Yang Xu to All Panelists : No, that’s different one
06:13:04 From Yang Xu to All Panelists : another Yang Xu :)
06:15:36 From Steve Terrill : Hi Mazin.
06:27:08 From Steve Terrill : I think that we should capture in a future update of the architecture the difference/relation between MSB and DMAAP to have guidenance on when to use each and dependancies.
06:29:19 From Parviz Yegani p00383288 to All Panelists : Good point Steve. Agreed!
06:35:05 From Jessie Jewitt to All Panelists : I'm here for modeling...
06:48:42 From Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia) to All Panelists : no
06:49:44 From Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia) to All Panelists : for service IM point of view, the model should be the same.
06:53:26 From Steve Terrill : can you please repeate when the models will be ready
06:53:51 From DENG Hui to All Panelists : I will talk this later
06:54:06 From Steve Terrill : OK, thanks Deng
06:54:59 From DENG Hui to All Panelists : diffcult for me, not easy job
07:07:39 From Claude Noshpitz (AT&T) : question: what would be impact on runtime support?
07:09:49 From Claude Noshpitz (AT&T) : makes sense, thanks!
07:10:00 From Parviz Yegani p00383288 to All Panelists : RH
07:14:08 From Kenny Paul to Parviz Yegani p00383288, All Panelists : I keep muting you because it is creating an echo.
07:14:30 From Kenny Paul to Parviz Yegani p00383288, All Panelists : when you aren’t talking.
07:18:58 From Claude Noshpitz (AT&T) : question: what is the strategy for adopting TOSCA Simple Profile 1.2? Who is responsible?
07:19:06 From Steve Terrill : Brian, was your question answered?
07:19:40 From Michael O'Brien : common issue - for multicloud which uses python - the logging project does not have a python library let - so all projects that provide service libraries will nee dual java/python RI libraries
07:22:42 From Tony Hansen to All Panelists : please don’t call java logging from python
07:24:06 From Tony Hansen to All Panelists : python has logging libraries than can be built on - work has been done with python logging in dcae project
07:24:55 From Rittwik Jana (AT&T)  : https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Modeling+tools
07:27:33 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : Sorry all... seem to have a microphone issue. All mutes were apparently off. As noted there is a training video (in chapters) and also information about versions etc.
07:27:51 From Maopeng to Tony Hansen, All Panelists : could you share the python loggin libraries? thanks
07:28:22 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : It is provided via the link
07:28:40 From Brian Hedstrom : I don’t see it on that page, it’s blank
07:28:44 From Michael O'Brien : logging project commits eclipse project, classpath - but works with IntelliJ
07:30:39 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : lower down
07:30:55 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : We should update the version on the page
07:30:58 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : It is in the comments
07:32:50 From Steve Terrill : M3 is the API freeze on 3/8. I assume that has a dependancy on the DM or ?
07:33:23 From Rittwik Jana (AT&T) : From Nigel's comments: we identify Papyrus version 3.2.0 RC4 as the version to use. The video shows you how to get this version.This should be run on Eclipse version 4.7.2 “Oxygen”. We should also use Gendoc version 0.6.0 as noted in the guidelines, but that has not yet been agreed.
07:33:32 From DENG Hui to All Panelists : not exactly depends on M3, we will try
07:34:22 From Jimmy Forsyth : Modeling contacts for each project: https://wiki.onap.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=24642264
07:36:15 From Kenny Paul : >>Discussion comments don’t indicate a decision being made. @Brian H, is that in the context of eclipse/papyrus version in the comments section of the link?
07:37:33 From Brian Hedstrom : @kenny Yes, thanks.
07:39:11 From Brian Hedstrom : Nigel’s comment on that page was in context of what ONF is using
07:40:04 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : I have now updated the page https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Modeling+tools to show the versions more clearly
07:40:18 From Brian Hedstrom : Thank you Nigel.
07:47:37 From Steve Terrill : Alla, where is the presentation, I couldn't see it here: https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/VF2F+Feb.+5-8%2C+2018 I thought I heard you say it was uploaded
07:49:12 From Lingli Deng : volte does not include PNF in its definition.
07:49:25 From Lingli Deng : PNF is from 5G usecase.
07:50:10 From Helen Chen : @Lingli, we are trying to add it to VoLTE, that’s why it is a stretch
07:51:01 From Maopeng to All Panelists : @ Helen, who provide the PNF? Also it is not talked, right?
07:54:20 From Anh Le (Netcracker) to All Panelists : My question is the integration with EMS for PNF can be very vendor and equipement specific. No widely accepted standard on 5G management. So will that integration for VoLTE and EvCPE will be open-sourced?
08:02:12 From Lingli Deng : @Helen, to clarify that we as one of the usecase owner could not commit on a PNF support, as CMCC does not provide PNF. Curious about who could be providing the PNF, and what are the impacts to infovled projects.
08:03:44 From Helen Chen : @Lingli,
08:03:59 From Helen Chen : I will send you the flow and related projects from email
08:04:07 From Helen Chen : and then decide.

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5:59 AM   <alla_> Alla Goldner #info Alla Goldner, Amdocs
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6:01 AM K<kennypaul> Kenny Paul #startmeeting vf2f-2018-02-08
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05:51:56     From ONAPmeet1 : Good Morning, I will go ahead and start the recording now. I will not be on-line for this session however.
06:38:48     From ZTE : Do all red, orange and yellow policy violations have to be eliminated?
06:40:21     From Anatoly Katzman : Dual licensing, when the same software is distributed under 2 licenses in the same time - what does it mean? Especially when these 2 liceses are very different: permissive vs copyleft?
06:47:54     From ZTE : Thank you, Steve. That’s very helpful.
07:02:13     From Gildas Lanilis g00377155 : in term of versionning, we shoulld use the same as in ONAP code,which is Semantic Versionning.
07:31:17     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : Gliffy and plantUML are very good diagram collaboration tools - we try to avoid pasted images/ppt
07:43:40     From Rich Bennett : ( plant )UML now works, example here http://docs.onap.org/en/latest/use-cases/vfw.html
07:49:40     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : Will try to assist OPFNV more - a very good project
07:49:42     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/AUTO/Auto+Project+Meetings
07:55:19     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : good question - we had the same ad-hoc discussions in prep for kubecon and the f2f - maybe a periodic sync meet and a commitement to be a a online tag team during the actual talks of the 2 groups
07:55:50     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : partially
07:56:01     From Phil Robb : Here is the Dev Forum Site: https://wiki.lfnetworking.org/display/LN/LFN+Developer+Forum+Session+Proposals